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    Quote Originally Posted by Tevesh View Post
    I was always sure Xulos were humanoid, not ratlike.
    It's the same thing.
    Iksars are humanoid reptiles.
    Kerrans are humanoid cats.
    Gnolls are humanoid dogs
    Frogloks are humanoid frogs.
    Ratonga/Roekillik/Xulous are humanoid rats.

    etc.


    Humanoid simply means having the physical body structure of a human's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncas View Post
    It's the same thing.
    Iksars are humanoid reptiles.
    Kerrans are humanoid cats.
    Gnolls are humanoid dogs
    Frogloks are humanoid frogs.
    Ratonga/Roekillik/Xulous are humanoid rats.

    etc.


    Humanoid simply means having the physical body structure of a human's body.
    Actually i think you misread it man,.. it says he takes the form of a twisted Xulous while in the Lxanvon, which is where hes at in the first pic, but i have to disagree in saying its a twisted rat-man, he looks more like a human/elven race rather then a rat.

    However since hes in Antonica not Lxanvon, he took the form of a defiled ratonga. The humanoid term while correct for both as they stand upright with arms and legs. I'd say its two different races entirely, reasoning is the Eqoa version looks totally different from either of them and imo is more of what the description said originally.

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    He just took a ratonga and made him his avatar, not really took the form of a ratonga himself

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    Indeed avatars are not the god themselves, they are not projections of the gods either. From what it looks like gods can pick a mortal and decide to use them as an avatar giving them special powers.
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    Avatars have been used in both meanings at some point in eq lore. The avatars that were around before the battle of defiance were normal people that were given powers by the god. The ones in eq2 now i'd only say it was a projection because they're all classified as Planar Manifestations, though it could also mean a manifestation of that god's power in a particular person. The ones outside plane of time in eq1 were projections.

    Also, it could be safe to say that a god's appearance isn't definitive. It's likely that they are all formless but assume some sort of appearance whenever they decide to show up somewhere. A good example would be the entire plane of tranquility being Quellious though she has also been seen as a young girl. That could be the rationale behind all the different appearances the gods take in each game.

    This could just be a mistake by the devs but Karana's Prophet, Askr, was Half-Elf in eq1 but Human in eq2.
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    To add to the whole Killing gods in EQ1 debate i found this quote helpful from plane of time:


    Innoruuk says, 'You are all incompetent! I knew you all could not be trusted. If we are defeated in our weakened state, I do not know if we will be able to coalesce again. I will never forgive you all for what has transpired today!'

    not sure what that word means coalesce if someone can do the homework for me

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    The lore in EQ1 supported the concept that the "gods" that you could fight within the individual plains were the "weakened" forms that you've mentioned above. I can't remember why exactly they were so weak, but I seem to recall it having to do with Veeshan and/or other dragons (Kerafyrm.. who knows?). If you could shed some light on this, it'd be much appreciated, it's been a few years for me.

    Anyhow, as a hint of their power, there's Ogre lore that says once upon a time (500 years prior to EQ1 I think) the Ogres thought themselves to be ascended creatures. They were unparalleled by the mortal races in both brawn and intellect. They rose to challenge the gods, and found themselves summoned before the Tribunal. Found guilty of their crimes, their intellect was stripped and they were cursed to the amorphous blobs they were originally in EQ1. When Sony released the second, upgraded, models in EQ1, it was part of a sign that their race was supposedly evolving again.

    With the gods still weakened, and the players progressing through the plains to again challenge the deities, they used the last of their power to reverse time (like you've posted above). Part of the gods disappearing for so long (between EQ1 and EQ2) was to regain their strength, so one could assume they're back to their inconceivable power once more. Remember, these are the dudes and dudettes who bested Veeshan (who created The Great Divide by scratching the surface of the planet with her claw).

    Oh, and I'm not so sure that the Xulous are similar to the Ratonga at all. The Plane of Disease had plenty of rats in it, sure, but regardless of the original description of Bertoxx (handsome face and all), the current description on file clearly says he's a twisted visage of the Xulous race. So, they were either a more in-tact looking version of the horned creature, or EQ2 has decided they were rats, and the decaying rat is likely an Avatar of his true form.

    "Down in the depths of some forgotten tomb Tarkon Praez, a necromancer in service to Bertoxxulous, was performing experiments on a tribe of rat men he had enslaved. During this time he bred many various rat men but none of them were what he wanted. He wanted a ravenous, festering, and foul breed that would strike terror and fear into the hearts of the pure. Tarkon decided to pray one day to his dark god for guidance. After many hours of prayers, foul rituals and sacrifices Bertoxxulous enlightened him with a vision of what he must do. He would have to travel to the far reaches and find the necessary components to perform a ritual of the darkest evil. The four components he had to gather were a unicorn heart, tail of a phoenix, tears of a virgin, and the blood of a faerie. After many trials and tribulations he had gathered the necessary components and began the dark ritual. What took form was more than he expected. It was an extremely evil crazed race of rat men that carried a foul plague in their blood and minds. He dubbed them the Bubonians and set them upon the land. The Bubonians tore the land a part spreading disease, death, and destruction wherever they went. This went on for a time until they were banished from the world by a good and noble order of knights. Bertoxxulous then took the Bubonians into the Crypt of Decay and that is where they have festered ever since waiting to lay waste to the world once again." --- Would lead me to believe the original race was not a rat race.

    Odd note: In EQ1 the zone was Ruins of LxanvoM and in EQ2 the area is referred to as The Necropolis of LxanvoN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EonOfEmpyrean View Post
    Odd note: In EQ1 the zone was Ruins of LxanvoM and in EQ2 the area is referred to as The Necropolis of LxanvoN.

    Indeed, I assume its because Lxanvom (King's Rest)in the EQ2 story is during the time of the Xulous race in its prime, before Bertox wiped out the race and teleported it to his domain... where im sure he layed waste to it.

    What i wish they would do concerning Bertox is tell the tale of the "Last Home"... the tale of the Springview Sanitarium. It was a really great story (read it in quests in EQoA) about why all his prophets/agents on Norrath that are living are Springview Healers, that were good at one time.. and through desperation fighting a great plague, called to the god of plagues to stop it while they combated the plague in the "Last Home".

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