Illy or Coercer 4 soloing - Page 2

kirran · 12-22-2007, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranze

There is plenty of warning when a coercers pet breaks

you get a yellow flash on your screen for about 1-2 seconds. the mob is then stunned on release for a few seconds. The mob is NOT stunned for the duration of your charm recast - not by a long shot.

aggro from your former pet will be dumped onto you.

The point is this, you can be fighting 1 monster and very rapidly have to be ccing a broken pet mid combat. This puts unpredictible mana strain on the solo caster.

Malachani · 12-23-2007, 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirran

you get a yellow flash on your screen for about 1-2 seconds. the mob is then stunned on release for a few seconds. The mob is NOT stunned for the duration of your charm recast - not by a long shot.

aggro from your former pet will be dumped onto you.

The point is this, you can be fighting 1 monster and very rapidly have to be ccing a broken pet mid combat. This puts unpredictible mana strain on the solo caster.

Skilled coercers don't do something as STUPID as recharming the mob during the 2 second stun. SKILLED coercers keep their pet as the toggle target, so in the event of a break, its a quick tab-mez-tab and be back on the mob you're attacking. Re-root mob, swap back to pet, recharm, resume.

Is it as "easy" as illusionist? Nope. But coercers can find some pretty deadly pets, and don't have to deal with silly things like their pet rooting a mob halfway across the zone when you send them to pet pull lol! I leveled to 70 as a coercer, and solo'd a great deal, and enjoyed it immensely. I solo alot as an illusionist now, and find it pretty repetitious (tho not nearly as bad as soloing on my fury) and I kinda miss the fun of charming.

Not to mention, charm is the ultimate mez. Even if the mob is dotted, it won't break unless you get unlucky on the resist check.

kirran · 12-23-2007, 11:35 AM

I think the OP's question was about soloing with a focus around attacking very difficult con monsters.

Regardless of player skill, pet betrayal mid fight and having to cc it in addition to whatever difficult con mob the OP might be fighting is not safe when compared to a pet which does predictable damage, casts cc and does not betray you.

That is my only point, I am not trying to claim illusionists are 'better' than coercers - just that in this case consistency may yield better results for the OP.

agressiv · 12-24-2007, 02:13 PM

I had leveled my coercer to about 52 before betraying, but I do miss charm.

However, M1 charm of any tier > AD3 charm.

I used my T4 M1 charm over T5 AD3 because the damage output by the M1 charm is completely insane, especially on caster pets.

I was parsing, at level 48 I was getting something like 1.5k nukes from the M1 T4 pet yet only 600 nukes from the T5 AD3 pet.

It was completely insane. If you don't have master charm, don't charm. Wish I stuck it out to see corpse candles though, I heard those were just crazy nukers.

agressiv

dakkota · 12-25-2007, 10:50 PM

as a wizard who loves to farm heroics...I've never had an illy come up and gank names from me. Though I have had coercers (even 3 - 4 levels lower than me) run in and just totally face own a ^^^ heroic named that is yellow con to them.

aka pet dependant >.<

bobz69 · 12-28-2007, 03:20 AM

consider yourself luck you dont play on najena then bitch or you woudlnt see another ^^^ heroic named!

i made it to like lvl 30 as a coercer and i was like yea ok fuck this too qeynos i go and im so glad i did. coercers are about as fun as paladins, and by fun i mean if you liek to be over shadowed by your arch type, bored out of your skull, unable to dps as well in equal gear, and generally love putting yourself through hell, then coercer is right for you!

Snark · 12-28-2007, 03:25 AM

If you were to solo level a coercer and illusionist up to 80, the coercer could get it done in half the time. Fact.

Firesys · 01-02-2008, 01:00 PM

Im going to agree with Snark. Ive plaid both. Dont get me wrong the illy can do some good damage but nothing chaining beats 3 K nukes off of the Rubble Rabble Detectors in kunzar jungle. given Caster pets FTW. given yes charm breaks, thats when you AoE Fear, giving you plenty of time to get the encounter under control. when you solo Coercers are where you want to be.

Trepan · 01-02-2008, 01:03 PM

The goblin shaman in Kunzar nuke for the same as the Rubble Rabble Detectors. Oddly, our debuffs affect the damage of the pets (necros? Nuking magic damage and not Disease? *shrug*). With the resist debuff and the debuff dot, that 3K goes to 3.8 and then 4.2K. Once every 5 seconds. Blat, blat, blat, loot!