Pinski

Enchanter Set
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Illusionist Set from Blackened Patterns
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Main Gear
Head
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Cloak
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\aITEM -811559619 -1014082650:Drape of the Emerald Council\/a
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\aITEM -1957568843 400867073:V'Ncenzi's Voluminous Cape\/a
\aITEM 203051263 227577098:Pristine Majestic Swiftcloth Cloak\/a

Chest
\aITEM 958572696 -964881966:Robe of Dark Power\/a
\aITEM 198475395 734367945:Jarsath Robe of Royalty\/a
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\aITEM 1797438996 1558023721:Vest of Illusory Vexation\/a
\aITEM -213629798 2024847800:Di'Zok Ceremonial Cloth Robe\/a

Shoulders
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\aITEM -1808631769 447927254:Symbol of the Eaten\/a
\aITEM 2075241612 -1457931013:Mantle of Prexus\/a
\aITEM 2001400287 -1762222721:Frostfired Mantle\/a
\aITEM -1978716365 669477947:Cowl of the Crypt\/a

Cuffs
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\aITEM -1568201352 -30536784:Cuffs of Shimmering Hues\/a
\aITEM 1031182218 -482752290:Woven Silk Underlay\/a

Gloves
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\aITEM 95643772 -1853954605:Sorcerous Gloves\/a
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\aITEM -714399097 -89242985:Froglok Skin Gloves\/a

Waist
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\aITEM 579587842 -219290335:Bone-Clasped Girdle\/a
\aITEM -1956520223 -561623719:Death Bringer's Cord\/a
\aITEM -763159586 1979291445:Belt of Deceptive Purity\/a
\aITEM -1492446095 -1175744489:Diviner's Sash of Alacrity\/a

Legs
\aITEM 1543810138 -2090848270:Pantaloons of Shimmering Hues\/a
\aITEM -1520072831 415925021:Mindbending Pantaloons\/a
\aITEM -1120865244 -1631573082:Fatalisis Leggings\/a
\aITEM -276916169 -27255571:Perceptor's Pants of Power\/a
\aITEM 1357231039 1407413240:Gene-splicer Slacks\/a

Feet
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\aITEM 338827067 2131185314:Phantom Boots of the Wastes\/a
\aITEM -1552099879 -181913408:Queensilk Slippers\/a
\aITEM 1689465898 -88363437:Vine-wrapped Boots\/a
\aITEM -1848960950 -230802106:Fur-lined Slippers of Al'Kabor\/a

Neck
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\aITEM 1102764450 1023282588:Chain Necklace of Pain\/a
\aITEM 2041340869 1710489717:Pendant of Swirling Energies\/a
\aITEM -1067892891 -496485272:Necklace of Pain\/a

Earrings
\aITEM -1569654088 1048959490:Earring of Unkempt Power\/a
\aITEM 768808921 -1153496488:Remorseless Hoop\/a
\aITEM 251717080 1282611639:Bangle of Thuuga\/a
\aITEM 1342139233 1855137272:Force Hoop\/a
\aITEM 678051889 439663349:Earring of Unkempt Energies\/a
\aITEM 1191133444 -252171576:Hoop of Dimensional Power\/a
\aITEM 97386857 1029733168:Remnant of the Tintinnabulum\/a
\aITEM -1331607196 1920073429:Remnant of the Chime\/a

Rings
\aITEM -547722565 54936793:Burdened Signet\/a
\aITEM -943154405 -1196511270:Burning Band\/a
\aITEM 455618629 1381698270:Negative Energy Channeler\/a
\aITEM -299692343 897491992:Soulshattering Band\/a
\aITEM 1995135125 -1580206574:Blackened Band of the Voidcaller\/a
\aITEM -1766797669 1712312535:Nagol's Treasure\/a
\aITEM 1995135125 -1580206574:Blackened Band of the Voidcaller\/a

Wrists
\aITEM 634226245 -383559938:Exquisitely Wrought Clasp\/a
\aITEM -1241938401 2026751442:Tormented Bracelet of Doom\/a
\aITEM -600471244 -1803248286:Wristbands of Lost Knowledge\/a
\aITEM 1921462031 168445287:Will-bender of Drudhi-kha\/a
\aITEM 1807225757 -1812804076:Vzee'rist's Sash of Draining\/a
\aITEM 251717080 1282611639:Bangle of Thuuga\/a
\aITEM -57637312 100200140:Twisted Manacle\/a

Weapon
\aITEM 529211491 -117008505:Mirage Star\/a
\aITEM 335135119 256208155:Wand of Crystalized Plasma\/a
\aITEM -1718006248 609379922:Frigid Piercer\/a
\aITEM 1117660031 -804929804:Staff of Light\/a
\aITEM -1630242374 -117008505:Mirage Star\/a

Secondary/Ranged
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\aITEM 789604956 622541615:The Praetor's Guard\/a
\aITEM 1611794738 -1979130055:pristine fire emerald orb\/a
\aITEM 199299490 1774699213:Blood of the Brood Watcher\/a
\aITEM 484957859 1739152861:Necromantic Orb of the Death Reveler\/a
\aITEM -1297514009 -1607929519:Runed Guard of the Sel'Nok\/a

Charm
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\aITEM -1080757213 -1182209837:Gorowynian Rune of Intellect\/a
\aITEM -1040636877 2102890711:Marcus' Lucky Coin\/a

Dispersion Gear
\aITEM 1506225763 606552788:Embroidered Sebilite Mantle\/a
\aITEM 969616858 1816624503:Sash of the Nathsar Tribe\/a
\aITEM -1531609317 173257584:Runed Bracers of Diffusion\/a
\aITEM 112355444 1065117516:Forest Giant Trinket\/a

Displacement Gear
\aITEM 958572696 -964881966:Robe of Dark Power\/a
\aITEM -299692343 897491992:Soulshattering Band\/a

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All of the seasons and all of the days
All of the reasons why I've felt this way
So long...
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Then lost in that feeling I looked in your eyes
I noticed emotion and that you had cried
For me
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Flaeme

I would add the Scale of the Leviathan to charms and at least make notion of the Runed Sel'Nok Guard (sp?)

Symeon

you listed "Leggings of Lucidity"?

What about this:

\aITEM 1080161058 -1772247335:Soulsiphon Leggings\/a

Not the best you can get but better then Lucidityleggins. my 2 cents

Frodogorn

List looks good.

There are only a few things I'd add.

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As an option to BCG for those that are not capped on +spell and want more survivability. That and the fact that i'm fuckin tired of being encumbered are why I switched to that.

\aITEM 1459643299 -1322474953:Coil of Vile Spawn\/a

Beastly on ae fights.

Gene-Splicer Slacks (could not find link)

Good option if you don't have the Mindbending Pants.



Looks to be possible this expansion to cap +crit and +spell. That's gonna rock. In dps gear currently 70% crit (bard/potion/aa/gear) and cap'd'ish on +spell without the 3 +7 crit or +9 crit items.

Vaults is killin me! The Praetor's Guard won't drop, but at least I got the Dark Orb last week.

-Gerrod

PS. Don't forget...

Ammo:
\aITEM 302898498 -1471777856:Burning Deathfist Arrow\/a

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agressiv

So the +120 Spell damage feet over VWB? Or is because of VWB not stacking with something?

agressiv

Yargnit

Going through each section & commenting:

Head, no arguments.

Cloak, no arguments. (Just wish i had Crystal Gift so I didn't have to worry about power and could swap out V'Ncenzi's)

Chest, wow this one is hard. Between these three I'd say it's entirely dependent on what else you have;

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\aITEM 1979464905 -39431436:Robe of Shimmering Hues\/a
\aITEM 1290482188 1604234610:Robe of Ancient Terrors\/a

Ancient Terrors should be no worse than 3rd on that list though, infact the more I look at it I'd say it should be 1st unless you are using Shimmering Hues to make your 3 piece (Head/Shoulders/Chest seem to be by far the most obvious choice for 3 piece)

For 4 & 5 I'd go with 1 of these 2;

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\aITEM 198475395 734367945:Jarsath Robe of Royalty\/a

I would only put this on the list if you are having major power issues if you have any of the above 5 unless your other choice is Illus Vex but you have 3 pieces of the shim Hues set, making the vests focus worthless;

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Shoulders, no arguments.

Forearms, no arguments - but there has to be something better (even treasured for gods sake) than the Ancient Bracers... gag

Gloves, my personal thoughts are that +70 spell dmg is possibly better than 2 crit depending on wehre your #'s are currently, so these 2 could be swapped.

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\aITEM 1945904353 -336158378:Fish Embroidered Gloves\/a

Also, keep in mind the pet summoned by these is permanently lvl70, so I'm not sure it could ever hit any worthwhile t8 mob.

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Belt, no arguments.

Legs, unless you need power I'd go;

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\aITEM -1120865244 -1631573082:Fatalisis Leggings\/a
\aITEM 1080161058 -1772247335:Soulsiphon Leggings\/a

And for power;

\aITEM 1080161058 -1772247335:Soulsiphon Leggings\/a
\aITEM -904348501 -206578890:Pantaloons of Mystical Silk\/a
\aITEM -1668005249 2111047409:Leggings of Lucidity\/a
\aITEM 1543810138 -2090848270:Pantaloons of Shimmering Hues\/a

I don't see a 350 de-threat proc 2-4x a minute being worth much when we can put out 3500+ dps mobs in VP.

Feet, had this discussion with a few friends since I noticed you took you Vine-Wrapped off Cal;

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\aITEM 488520313 1434289723:Slippers of Al'Kabor\/a

Seems like the obvious choice to me unless you are running into stacking issues with the Powerfont proc on Vine Wrapped? Assuming no such issues I see no way the others even come close? Would love to hear more from you on this Cal because my 1st thought when seeing you had done this was that Broccoli had started using your head to plant a garden. ;)

Neck, Assuming you can find a healer not threatening to slit your throat for wearing the Choker with our casting rate I have no arguments, although I personally can't bring myself to wear the Amulet even though I know it's better than the PoS I have on because I have enough trouble staying alive without the -200hp on it. :\

Ear, Yeah the Mystical or kicks ass and all, but I think ranking it #1 is a bit much. I'd say Top should be;

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And personally I'd go with The Crystal Gift as it's partner if I had the choice just for the fact that that frees you up from having to worry about power on any of your other gear. Straight dps wise alone you probably have it in the right spot, but for how much it frees up your other equipment selection I'd have to bump it to #2, then follow the rest of the list down in this order.

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Ring, Think I'd probably swap these two because the proc on RoS just isn't very large, unless you are at the point where you couldn't care for faster reuse (Which I admit, you likely are), If you aren't at that point I'd switch these 2.

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\aITEM -1340919413 -1481152605:Ring of Supremacy\/a

Wrist, based off parsing the Vzee'rist's sash against some of my other procs, I'd probably go with the following order;

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\aITEM -600471244 -1803248286:Wristbands of Lost Knowledge\/a
\aITEM 1807225757 -1812804076:Vzee'rist's Sash of Draining\/a
\aITEM -695381990 -47452205:Bracelet of Thule\/a
\aITEM 284880873 72549170:Bracelet of Thuuga\/a
\aITEM 1803897362 -105988353:Finger Bone Manacles\/a

But I'm not completely set on the order for 2-5 either, this one just feels more correct personally. (Vzee'rist's has never seemed to parse as high for my personally as i expected, which is the main reason I think this order seems better)

Charm, no arguments although technically you would get more dps out of a +15int doll than either of these, they just give better stats;

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Weapon, unless you have 2 of your top 4 listed secondary items I'd probably put this 1 in the #3 slot, sliding WoCP and Soulfire down;

\aITEM -28178306 -761524792:Staff of the Impaler\/a

However if you only have 1, or none of the top 4 you have listed (imho Misty isn't good enough to qualify due to how low the low end of the proc is) then I'd agree with the order you have them listed in.

Secondary, no arguments.

Anyone else's thoughts?

I'd espesially like to hear reasoning behind removing Vine Wrapped, as I just don't see it unless there are stacking issues. (All other boost effects i saw on anything you had linked were named differently so I'm under assumption that they stack unless bugged)

I'm also not 100% on Wand of C-Plasma placement, I'm leaning slightly toward not regarding the boost high enough, but I still can't see it being better than the proc & crit & +spell dmg on Staff of Impaler unless accompanied by a very good extra secondary. (Of which Praetor's is the only good 1 I have)

Ok, 6:30 am and I just spend 90 minutes studying every item on the list... enough for one night. ;)

Frodogorn

Technically speaking multiple items can share the #1 spot depending on where someone is in relation to the +spell cap.

25-30 +spell is roughly greater or equal to +1 crit if you are under cap.

There are also situations where certain damage proc gear will fluctuate in the ranking order (proc buff classes and ae fights).

I am assuming the reason VWB's are not as high as you would expect is the proc functions as +spell (boe) off base spell damage. From my previous tier testing that puts them well below +100 spell damage. Factoring in how often the proc is up I THINK my T7 testing put them in the 65ish +spell range. Anyways, in T8 the +spell that VWB's provide is likely a fair amount below the flat +120 of Phantom Boots of the Wastes. If you also consider the fact that +spell grows on trees now, the VWB's are just not that good anymore.

Also something to consider is the 20% +spell off Leviathan's robe functions like VWB's (according to Calaglin in WW channel). So that robe is not as good as it appears.

For true +% damage you would need to turn to Dark Orb of the Mind or Wand of Crystalized Plasma. In addition to increasing base damage when proc is up, they increase your +spell cap. I am pretty sure the buffs on them do not stack.

-Gerrod

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Pinski

Sash of Draining is far superior to the Wristbands of Lost Knowledge, it does more damage, period. Anybody putting the Sash of Draining below them haven't compared both to know which is better. And thinking that 3% crit beats out a proc, it can be once you get high enough 3% crit becomes pretty crap, whereas 4% Crit and +17 Spell damage still isn't as bad, but it's still better than most procs. You have to remember as you start attacking orange-mobs you lose A LOT of your crit chance, so it pretty much cuts it in half, thus making crit less appealing, whereas +Spell Damage and procs hit just fine.

Not everybody needs the Crystal Gift to deal with long hard power-based fights. In fact, I still don't have 1, but I can manage just fine on just about every fight in-game.

And no, +70 spell damage is not better than 2% crit. Considering at Level 70 1% Crit was equal to around 28 with VM going, 1% Crit this expansion will easily be at around 36.

Also putting the Robe of Ancient Terror that high means that you have jack-shit +Spell Damage, not to mention +20% Spell Damage on say Ultraviolet Beam(of course this is assuming the proc is up) is only +170 spell damage. Which with the fact that it's equivalent to a 2.0/minute proc means that it only adds +40 spell damage to beam averaged since it's only going to be up 14s of a minute. Thus, you are way overrating it. 10% re-use would give you far more benefit than that, not to mention Robe of Forgotten Dreams easily would since it's a base +50 Spell Damage and has a power proc. Of course, the Robe does have +125 Spell damage as it is, but it's still not that great, but it is better than the Jarsath Robe. And people still seem to think that Crystal Gift is the only power proc you need.

This same applies to the VWB, just instead of adding +170 to Beam, they only add +85. Basically a flat +75 is better. VWB are pretty much overrated in this expansion. They were only good last expansion because there was exactly 1 other piece of gear that you could wear on your feet that would add to your damage, now with more options they aren't anywhere as good as people think.

Legs, didn't know about the Gene-splicer Slacks before. But considering that Pantaloons of Mystical Silk give more power back than Soulsiphon Leggings, I'm confused why anybody would ever wear Soulsiphon Leggings, they don't scream good to me at all. And sorry, but considering there are way more options for +Spell Damage elsewhere on legs Fatalasis Leggings just don't make the cut(only reason why our set Legs are on there are because I figure they're worth #5 if you can make a 3-set out of them), whereas you can't find many power procs in every slot, whereas legs they are plentiful.

The Mystical Orb adds way more DPS than 15% re-use, period. Crystal Gift is still being overrated, yes it's great and all, but you don't need it if you can properly align your gear so it has enough power procs to manage. Not to mention, if this is the first fight in the zone, your crystal gift is useless.

Nobody wears a Charm-slot for the INT, they wear it for the overall hp/stat gain. Sure a few more INT will increase your DPS, but +10int/+50power will probably increase your DPS just as much, same with +5int/+25power.

Wand of Crystallized Plasma is far better than the Staff of the Impaler, period. If you don't have a Dark Orb of the Mind, there is no point in EVER getting rid of the Crystallized Plasma. 4% Crit is worth 1.2% increase in DPS from 0% crit, while the +50 spell damage is worth maybe 3%. Considering you can easily get praetor's guard and the necro orb(which combined beat out the staff of the impaler proc) there is no point in ever using the staff of the impaler. Shit, considering the small difference between Blood and Fitzpitzle is for overall damage, don't quite see why you couldn't have 2 of those 5 secondary/rangeds.

If your healer can't keep you up with a Choker, then they just suck.

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All of the seasons and all of the days
All of the reasons why I've felt this way
So long...
So long
Then lost in that feeling I looked in your eyes
I noticed emotion and that you had cried
For me
I can see

TANGARTH

ancient terror's robe doesn't add up like the wand or the dark orb, it adds up like the vwb (that few people use)

I was parsing with the impaler staff last night, it did like 2% without a warlock, so with one we're looking at like 4% which in no way equals the 8% from the wand.

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Yargnit

I guess I'm a bit confused here then. How could the add differently? From what I'd heard anything with this proc simply means the base dmg is increased by X% amount, also meaning that since the base is higher, you can take advantage of more +spell damage?

The wand would only be the 8% if it was up 100% of the time, I'd expect both it and VWP would be up ~65% of the time at best with a WL in group.

Ok, I guess personally almost never see the Sash parse over 30 dps, & even with just calculating cris at their lowest value (straight +30%), you gain roughly 3dps per 1k dps per 1% crit, so a 3% crit ring would give 27dps @ 3k dps, or 36dps @ 4k dps, which puts it right around where the sash is parsing, however the other stats on the 3% crit ring are better.

I just went back and looked at my parse from one of the last named in Wing 2 of VP (haven't killed the named in Wing 3 yet) and out of having 45% listed crit when I was in there, I parsed 41%> of spells being crits, which is only a 4% difference than listed, not nearly as bad of a drop off as you make it sound.

Not disagreeing here, just stating that you can either have this 1 item geared toward power, or several other items geared toward power. I'd personally pick one item, which I can trigger or not trigger as needed, over several items, which can trigger at the wrong time, or not trigger when needed any day.

I guess to me that sounds awful close to even if you say 1% crit = ~36 spell dmg, then 2% would = ~72, which is for all intents = to +70, except the +70 is more consistant, where the crits are not. I was just arguing for them being equal, not one really being better.

I guess this goes back to the 1st thing i said in this post, with possibly missing something in the workings here. The main reason I see the VWB as so much better is that out +spell dmg cap isn't that large, so having VWP which stack with that cap seems much more beneficial than having the flat +120 on the other boots, seeing as how we are way up there past the cap in most cases anyway. (Plus VWP actually increasing the cap while they are up)

You got me there, I simply misread the Mystical Silk proc as a single proc, rather than triggering the power multiple times per proc. I had just listed Soulsiphon higher because at the time i read the pwr proc as identical, but they also had the small +spell.

I'm sorry, this one I simply can't see. 15% faster would be a huge boost for my dps. Currently I either have to wait a small delay for beam to refresh if I use it every other spell between Pessimism & B-Clot, or use then both between beams, delaying beam. With this 15% I could fit beam perfectly between these 2 without having to delay anything. Even with a fight where Char procced way more than normal, it was still only 85 dps. With beam averaging nearly 2300 a hit on the last VP parse, I would only have to get in 1 extra beam's worth of dmg every 28 seconds for the EouP to be better, and I see it adding a lot more than ~2.1 beams a minute extra.

Again, it's not that you can't find other items, it's just that this one item can fill the place of so many others freeing them up you other options. & As for the 1st fight, when are the 1st few fights not trash? Plus we have Savante to get us through the 1st fight if you really run low and don't have any gifts yet.

No arguments, was just stating it as a technical fact.

I read this, then I say ok, but you get rid of the VWP which are 10% instead of 8%, should proc more often (although for shorter duration) and go into a slot without nearly as many great items. So why would you drop this, but ever drop the WoCP? As for the staff, I'm operating assuming they fix the proc so it works in raids like it does in groups. Until then yeah, but running Unrest for ages to get a WoCP when the Staff is clearly just bugged doesn't sound at all worthwhile. & I's not just the proc on the staff it also has 4% crit, & a small +spell dmg boost.

Ok, true once we know the zone well, but we are still working through the last of VP, and as some of them (depending on which group I'm in that day) aren't the most proficient, the extra distraction when they are trying to watch the tank for spikes doesn't seem to be beneficial to the raid as a whole. (We have a Guard and an SK for tanks, not 2 Guards with Monks to back them up, so we can't recover from the tank dropping nearly as well as you can, so they have to watch him harder to make sure he doesn't)

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