Illuminator

Maybe it is your ignorance. The smart people will silently figure it out, not wanting to give me too much credit. The dumb people will recite lines from EQ2 For Dummies.

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Dystrax

silently figure what out? do i need a decoder wheel? ouija board?

i assume you mean coercers have a DPS buff that really only benefits melee and damage shield/hate decrease that works best on melee, whereas illy has only haste and IA for melee but has a great spell proc/hate decrease that works for casters. but it is ignorant to say that this means one or the other is pro/anti caster/melee.

on top of that, remember that this is a thread where someone is asking for advice about something they don't know about. eq2 for dummies is pretty much exactly what the OP was asking for. are you honestly saying that your response in this thread is only directed at people who are "in the know" and not at the OP? and, if it was in fact directed at the OP, wouldn't the better option be to explain yourself in some way rather than leave it entirely cryptic.

Twisting

You're right Illuminator, you should hear the melee classes bitch when I get thrown in a group with them. They hate me taking up a spot in thier group that could be held by someone who can buff them. . . oh. . . wait. . . nm.

Coercers are a niche class. Illusionists can join any group and make it better. If you want life to be simple make an Illusionist. If you want more of a challenge roll a coercer. It doesn't really matter in the end, you can always betray if you change your mind.

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Cenarius

illuminator.. you forgot the fun part.... coercerer got troll and rattonga illu > illusionist

but.. a good illu will always more dpsing a coercere unless the coercerer can cast his reactives every second and the target hits ae's like hell melee and magic every second...

with RoK i would say coercerer got a boost with they're dps, there are a lot encounter with a lot of ae's which boost your personal dps a lot but not nearly a really good illusionist....

illusionist got a group invis as well which quit nice in groupplay and so on.. i feel its challenging to play a coercerer not more or less, i like it and i fucking died alot cause my pet brokes hrhr but hey... i like it ^^

bobz69

first of all, playing any class isnt hard, least of all a coercer. A coercer job is simple, do what an illusionist does, flow, control power, dps, only you get to slack and shit for dps will get you by just fine 95% of the time. Ive seen parses from coercers that compete, but most of them just suck so bad ( or have un-comparable groups) or both! That it they can be coupled with bards as far as slacking fucks go.

Soloing on an illusionist is easy as it gets sure, because its so much harder rooting somethign and haveing your pet drop a 15k nuke on its face every 15 seconds. Heres an idea, have them both fight at range, dont be a retard and dot it, charm breaks the one you were figthing is already rooted because your clearly not a retard, and all you have to do is mez and re-charm your pet, GG.

Everytime this conversation comes up, which annoyingly enough is often, a coercer or 6 feel the need to come in here and go on about how much more skillful they are. Guess what, we both mana flow and push buttons.

As for the OP, if your going to be casual it really doesnt matter, do what you want. If you want to raid, most guilds field 1 coercer, and 2, possibly 3 illys. Illys are simply better rounded, and can do more, better. Want to be a mana battery, or have a spot in the mt group, roll coercer, want to compete with tier 1 dps while being a mana battery and haveing groups fight over you, roll an illy.

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bobz69

sigh...i am a sad panda when i see these posts

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Cenarius

Without any buffs from troub etc. parsing over 2k is not that bad for a ugly coercerer isn't it?

...and btw. channel > any manabuff from illusionist

Edit: but have to agree.. there are a lot of chanters out there which suck in they're class waiting for the moment they can stun or mezz a mob for cc

Pinski

Channel, while it is pretty good, does not compare anywhere near to Savante.

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Cenarius

hm wait... didn't had a nearly mana intensive fight since rok, normal managroupreg + 10min long groupregg + manaward was enough for the hole fight but can an illy give anyone nearly 0%- nearly 100% mana in a second?

Pinski

Does anybody go to 0% power anymore?

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