Illus v. Coercer - Further Explaination - Page 3

gandulfy · 01-22-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cenarius

hm wait... didn't had a nearly mana intensive fight since rok, normal managroupreg + 10min long groupregg + manaward was enough for the hole fight but can an illy give anyone nearly 0%- nearly 100% mana in a second?

As you said thats pretty much irrelevant anymore given RoK encounters. I do agree channel can be nice in the MT group this is why nobody is disagreeing that coercers are not nice in a raid. HOWEVER, coercers are NOT harder then illusionists, this is just plain stupid, my coercer can solo just as well if better then my illusionist.

Coercers take no more skill its a different class that does most of the same things, i am not dogging the coercer sure it has its benefits, the thing is illusionists are more needed because they can buff more and provide better buffs for the most part. A good raid force has a single coercer in the MT group and 3 illusy's for the other groups. The coercer still has its place and can still help, and no a good coercer can never do as good as a good illusy in a parse.

2k without a bard isn't bad but a good illusy can do 3k without a bard so its starts to even out, I have seen 1-2 coercers that could put out some really high dps numbers but most of them suck.

Cenarius · 01-22-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Does anybody go to 0% power anymore?

if someone in coercerer's group gets kicked out of his shoes.. yes nearly 0%

but i did a mistake.. channel and savante aren't even comparable so sry bout that..

Pinski · 01-22-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cenarius

if someone in coercerer's group gets kicked out of his shoes.. yes nearly 0%

but i did a mistake.. channel and savante aren't even comparable so sry bout that..

No, they get a rez and they start with like 30-40% power, and then, provided their gear doesn't suck and they have made good gear choices, they can have no power problems at all.

TANGARTH · 01-22-2008, 04:47 PM

fact is, illusionists do more dps and with the pet they're consistant across zones. So until you get to the level to charm servants of mistmoore, corpse candles or awesome caster mobs, your best bet is to start as an illy, then betray if you don't like it or your guild needs a coercer

gandulfy · 01-23-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TANGARTH

fact is, illusionists do more dps and with the pet they're consistant across zones. So until you get to the level to charm servants of mistmoore, corpse candles or awesome caster mobs, your best bet is to start as an illy, then betray if you don't like it or your guild needs a coercer

Or just do collection quests into the 40's and your set :D

Slips · 01-24-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobz69

sigh...i am a sad panda when i see these posts

GJ taking over Gigas' spot in SD as head troll. Chanters CC and buff, like it or not.

TANGARTH · 01-24-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Slips

GJ taking over Gigas' spot in SD as head troll. Chanters CC and buff, like it or not.

But dps more than both of those, so there you go

Rhymez · 01-25-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

The grandest oversimplification I can come up with is that coercers are pro-melee/anti-caster and illusionists are pro-caster/anti-melee. And you happen to be a caster.

leave the game please

Jibo · 01-28-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhymez

leave the game please

what he said.

Firesys · 01-28-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhymez

leave the game please

The questions is.... is he talking about DPS or buffs........ because if he's talking about buffs then he is wrong but if he's talking about DPS. Coercer > Illy Vs. Caster mobs. ( Cataclysmic mind FTW!)