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Old 03-17-2008, 09:50 AM  
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i have hit 5.5k dps on a boss in coa :P

meastro + jester + defiler cast time reduction buff + choker = godlike :P
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:21 PM  
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Time for some bored at work ramblings...

Mindwarped numbers seem a bit high, but that is coming from someone with a heavily stacked group.

I don't often run with my choker as it can get a little hairy at times and messes with my furies casting order and dps. Since he often parses 3k-3.5k in VP while pure dpsing I usually leave the choker in my packs.

Atm I have 85 crit and 650ish +spell w/ Mayong Orb, no 3 set bonus, and back to no Mythical ( hopefully we finish up this week).

Most of this expansion I have been without a Wizard also (pretty much just a troub).

In VP I am typically 10%+ of the raids DPS. When there is a fair amount of lag I parse in 3800ish range w/ troub and gear listed above. Lag free I can push 4500 peaks rarely 5k. How well I do depends (especially ZW's) on how much of my focus is dealing with officers, sending gay cybers, and generally being an ass or fucking with people in vent.

Lag free and not slacking I see Calaglin's numbers as pretty accurate with gear fleshed out, mythicals for self(pet)/raid, and semi-generous group setup. Those numbers will not be easy though. I only expect the top Illusionists (in fairly high DPS guilds) to be able to pull those off consistently.

With our wizard, 3 set bonus, my mythical (pet), lag free, 2 PotM's, a few more pieces of gear, and a relative increase in my raids dps, I expect some HUGE increases in my DPS. It's gonna be fuckin sweet!

I always recast pessimism before the duration is expired, and rarely let brainclot terminate. I probably should test this more, but with 2 PoTM, VG, Aria, Tandem, some proc gear, and decent BoE, I imagine brainclot on average will do more by recasting when it's up. A combination would probably be the best.

Hmmm... how bout setting up an ACT ding for when PotM/VG starts/ends? I assume they both have emotes that can be used? I usually do a slight modification of my casting order when I know they are up. This could be useful in squeezing out some extra DPS.

I'm gonna go a bit against the grain and comment on damage proc gear. In short, I think most damage proc gear is over-rated. Anytime someone suggests a replacement they get flamed.

Personally, if I think 2 items are fairly close in the DPS they generate, I choose survivability (hp/sta and to a point, resists).

My BCG replacement is Death Bringer's Cord, and instead of Invoker I use Crystal Gift/Remorseless Hoop/Thuuga Earring.

In my standard gear I use 1 damage proc item, Praetor's Guard. I then keep BCG, Invoker, and BoT bagged for AE fights. The most controversial of my choices would be BCG and Invoker. With high crits I can see the value and power of these 2 items, but I'm sorry folks, I just don't agree they are the end all.

#1 Streaky as hell. I have seen numerous ZW's where they end up with 20-30dps. Not good enough. The +spell/crit from replacements is consistent dps, although the crit values are a bit less against high con mobs.

#2 Shitty stats. While stats overall are somewhat worthless, the replacement items have high HP, Sta, Int, Power, Resists, +skill. Individually not that important, but just the HP/Sta alone can sometimes translate to less death and alot more DPS because of it.

#3 At best there is not a huge difference in the dps the items provide. There are certainly times where the proc items hit a rng streak and go insane, but otherwise, the difference is not great enough so I'll stick with only swapping them in for AE fights or maybe when the proc increaser clicky is up.

Trak belt will certainly replace BCG though.

Something else... Our raid has 3 Illusionists. I have not really tested it yet, but how do multiple Tandems stack? A.) Only 1 works. B.) They can both trigger off 1 cast. C.) Having 2 increases the chance to get a proc on 1 spell, but it procs max of 1 per spell cast.

Alright, done rambling for now. Back to what I call work.

-Gerrod
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:54 PM  
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BCG is a lot better than the 2%+60 belt.
Mostly has to do with the spread on it, with high enough crits it's going to go off for a lot.

People keep asking and probably aren't looking, so here's my casting order as of right now

-Prismatic (pre pull)
-Then I either hit Illuminate as the mob is on top of us, or I cast Flash of brilliance before the mob gets pulled, flash adds a ton more agro than illum.
-If you're good at timing you can have Prismatic at like 4-5s remaining when the raid start's dpsing, so if whoever your Prismatic target is attacks fast enough he can get all the triggers off and you can cast it again right away.

With a precasted prismatic this is what it looks like is:
Pessimism, brainclot, beam, chronosiphoning, construct, prismatic, chromaticshower, beam, lesion, beam, gammastorm, beam, pessimism, beam

after that point it's pretty much priorities in terms of what to cast next, where Prismatic>Chromatic>Lesion>Beam>Construct>Brainclo t>Pessimism>Gammastorm
Brainclot and pessimism do more damage than beam, but once you've got them going it's better to cast beam than recast one of your dots.

If anyone sees a huge problem in this order or wants to comment, go nuts
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My order is somewhat similar, but I delay or sometimes don't cast Construct. At least every other Pessimism is paired with Brainclot for me. I cast Gammastorm more often than I should. I almost always use Beam in between all spells besides those paired. I almost always time Chromatic with Dispatch.

When I run out of spells I have a macro with our 3 Int/Agi/Str AA abilities (chronosiphoning last) to fill in any gaps in casting order.

When PotM is up my order changes a little. I sometimes(rarely) pair Daunted and our fast mezz to trigger procs when other spells are not up. I use my shocker when PotM is up.

I bitch at our 2 other Illusionists if daze or stun immunity is on mob during tougher fights. Lesion is of course left out of those fights and I time it with damage spikes.

For ae fights, depending on how long I think they will last, I throw on invoker, thule, bcg, ae proc ring, use a start of sentiment/prismatic prebuffed, pessimism/brainclot (highest hp mob), gamma, chromatic, erudite ae, group stun, manatap, group mezz, pbae mezz (if heroic adds), gamma, then offdot pessimism/brainclot and prioritize ae spells from there. Many times the adds are toast by then or PotM is done and I change order a bit. I sometimes throw blink in to both deagro and trigger procs. It's pretty common I die doing this order in ae fights if pally is not tanking.

When dealing with the hated Rays, I save Illuminate for right after it goes off (to get perp5). I hound all wizards to setup a macro to give advanced warning prior to rays. If they don't, no TC for them till they do it lol.

-Gerrod

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Something else I do that may seem odd is a rhythmic dance of sorts that involves my left hand on keyboard, right hand on mouse and movement of my body (sometimes just my head others my feet/legs and sometimes everything). It sort of centers me and gets me into the zone. My left hand uses beam/prismatic as a central focus and my right hand on mouse clicks the followups. My body sort of does a 1, 2, 1, 2 count over and over trying to go faster and faster until there are no pauses and everything flows. After doing this for awhile, instinct sorta takes over and a parser is not even needed to know you are doing well. It can be a religious experience!
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You pulling using flash of brilliance when mob is ontop of u? I always use it to max out perp quick in beginning of fight without agro issues.

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You pulling using flash of brilliance when mob is ontop of u? I always use it to max out perp quick in beginning of fight without agro issues.

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Ideally I time it as mob is incoming and have perp5 as I start right into my casting order.
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You pulling using flash of brilliance when mob is ontop of u? I always use it to max out perp quick in beginning of fight without agro issues.

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Perp 5 won't help if you're dead.

If you time chaos right you front load your dps at the start of a fight


Also Gerrod, a surprising amount of the tough mobs are straight up control immune
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Changing my cast order up a bit, with spamming Pessimism, definately upped dps by 100-150. thanks a lot everyone for the advice, will keep tweaking it to get to the top of that parse. Is around 10% of the raid's dps a good number to shoot for w/o your mythical, and being in a mage/hybrid group? (mage group = illu(me) wiz warlock troub conj warden) (hybrid group = illu(me) wiz troub brig ass fury) Just depends who shows up that night as to which group I get put into.
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BCG is a lot better than the 2%+60 belt.
Yeah it was, until resist changes in lu43. Now all procs are just piece of shit. Why? I dont wanna to explain it here , but the main thing is that now it gives around 10dps on every fight, instead of 60-80 (after prop nerf) as before.
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Yeah it was, until resist changes in lu43. Now all procs are just piece of shit. Why? I dont wanna to explain it here , but the main thing is that now it gives around 10dps on every fight, instead of 60-80 (after prop nerf) as before.

are you sure because i suck and get more dps out of than that
hell i swap belts out and it zone wides more than that

i am not doing vp
but you did say every fight
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