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Old 07-19-2008, 12:40 AM  
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Maybe because the proc on praetor's is a piece of crap compared to other procs in the game, and the crit is what makes it worth wearing. This goes back to older tiers when Orb of the Invoker would proc 8 billion times and Ring of Supremacy would proc...3 times. Then they "NORMALIZED" procs and some shit became bearable and others stayed the same, some got worse.
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Old 07-20-2008, 08:46 AM  
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The BCG had a hit rate of 89%
i got a partial zw from the first floor of vp (nexona + kluzen) and i see 40 dps and the same hitrate of 89%
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Old 07-31-2008, 11:44 AM  
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My findings are this.... Or.. am I totally calculating this the wrong way ?

BCG Proc'd 113 times in VP out of 5000 casts which ended up being 115K Damage...

Silten Sash I figured 5000 casts x 45 boe= 225K damage from the boe alone. not including crits. Of course I took into account the partial time I was in the raid, along with debuffs, and non damage based spells.

So with those numbers alone.. Silten Sash is the way to go for me (assuming I'm not already capped on BoE/Crit) Which raid buffed I'm at 777 / 91 sash would bump me up to 822/93.


EDIT: Praetors Proc'd 110 times or so. and the Goblin Bane charm proc'd around 85.. to give a comparison on the proc rate(s)

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1. How did you calculate 5000 "casts?" Did you just take the 'swings' or 'hits' column in ACT and use that? Did you eliminate procs, dot ticks, pet (primary or dumbfire) hits, and melee attacks from the total? What was the total combat time for the parse in question? Well under an hour I would guess, based on your proc totals.

2. Do you actually benefit at all from any of the 45 BOE from the belt? +Damage is stupidly easy to cap. My Conjuror could equip a +125 damage item and probably see the damage on my primary nuke go up by 5-6 or so.
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Old 07-31-2008, 01:16 PM  
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My findings are this.... Or.. am I totally calculating this the wrong way ?

BCG Proc'd 113 times in VP out of 5000 casts which ended up being 115K Damage...

Silten Sash I figured 5000 casts x 45 boe= 225K damage from the boe alone. not including crits. Of course I took into account the partial time I was in the raid, along with debuffs, and non damage based spells.

So with those numbers alone.. Silten Sash is the way to go for me (assuming I'm not already capped on BoE/Crit) Which raid buffed I'm at 777 / 91 sash would bump me up to 822/93.


EDIT: Praetors Proc'd 110 times or so. and the Goblin Bane charm proc'd around 85.. to give a comparison on the proc rate(s)
Did this item get changed? I see no BOE on it. If you're at 777 BOE you aren't getting any benefit from adding more.

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Old 07-31-2008, 06:29 PM  
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My findings are this.... Or.. am I totally calculating this the wrong way ?

BCG Proc'd 113 times in VP out of 5000 casts which ended up being 115K Damage...

Silten Sash I figured 5000 casts x 45 boe= 225K damage from the boe alone. not including crits. Of course I took into account the partial time I was in the raid, along with debuffs, and non damage based spells.

So with those numbers alone.. Silten Sash is the way to go for me (assuming I'm not already capped on BoE/Crit) Which raid buffed I'm at 777 / 91 sash would bump me up to 822/93.

You can't calculate BoE damage this way. The cap has to be figured for each spell at low and high of range, and low and high of crit range, then do some semi-complicated math and you get the average SD increase on a per spell basis.

Now use some kind of base spell rotation or take spell damage or cast-time percentages for each spell from a parser and find an average damage increase for the SD.

If you have a spreadsheet with all this stuff in it it's best to just calculate theoretical dps and change the SD and see what percentage increase you get

For my warlock spreadsheet (still not done/tested with parser yet), I'm seeing about 0.55% damage increase from the 2 crit and 0.6% increase from the 45 BoE at your stats, but had to just guess cast time at 60% and recovery at 40%. Looks like that's about equal to the dps increase from the sash of roughly 1.1% to 1.2%. So it's basically a tie... if you can get proc rate increase buffs BCG might be better, but sash gives more health and power. Also consider the elemental debuff of the BCG... (with another class YMMV)
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