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Hi Everyone,

I'm curious if there are folks out there wondering if the dps they generate is the best they can do based on current gear, spell quality, and spell rotation.

I consider myself a 'decent' player, but yet I'm getting killed on the parse compared to the other illu in the guild. For example, in VP two nights ago, I was hitting around 2.8k, and the other illu was hitting 6.8k.

There's some definite differences between myself and the other illu such as:
1) Spell Quality
HIM - has most of his master spells
ME - 2 masters
2) Gear
Him - some really good gear including his mythical, the choker, and at least 2 VP set pieces
ME - the best items I have is Praetor's Guard and my fabled epic

My spell rotation is based on his (and yes, I've done a tonne of research on illu dps and the rotation seems to match up relatively good with what others have posted).

Even the groups we're put in when in raid are very similar... we both have troubs, we both have furies, and we usually have a wiz or lock.

I would expect the other illu to be higher (of course), but doubling and sometimes tripling my parse? Maybe 50% higher, sure. But 100% - 200% higher?


I'm parsing around 2.8k on trash mobs, and it doesn't seem to matter which raid zone (with the exception of thuuga due to the stuns/stifles). This includes VP.


I guess what I'm asking here is, what kind of dps is reasonable for a non-pimped out illu in higher end T8 raid zones who has good skills, just not good gear and fully mastered.

Maybe the answer is that I'm not as 'skilled' as I think I am.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

NOTE: In raid, I'm around 60-65% crit, 750 BoI, and about 1000 INT.

Thanks,
Hammer

Pinski

Post a breakdown with a group setup of your DPS, then we can tell you if you are doing "well" or not.

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Alrighty

The majority of the time this was the group:

Troub
Defiler
Ranger
Brigand
Warlock
illu (of course)

I went back to last Sunday's parse and the average was around 2.7-2.8k.

Hammer

Xanoth

Pinski wanted you to post a screen of your outgoing damage window from act (damage breakdown). From that it's possible to see where your damage is coming from and if you might be doing something wrong or could improve somewhere.

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Fablesuck

This most likely accounts for quite a large part of the difference, lower quality spells = more resists, even being resisted on a few spells might cause a considerable DPS loss. As well as that there's the obvious increased damage from adetp3 to M1 which compounds the resist difference also. I assume you are casting your tempory buffs ASAP also every time they are up? i.e. Illuminate and the tempory INT buff? (cant remember name as Im at work).

I must admit, your questions in the post I'd like to see answered also, as I'm kind of in the same situation.

Here's hoping that if you can post ACT logs some of our Uber Illy's here can point you in the right direction (and me)

Pinski

If you're only doing 2.8k DPS and you have a troub in your group, you're terrible, no matter what gear you have. I was pushing 2.8k DPS in EoF with a Troub when there was still some slight lag. You should easily be pushing 3.5-4k DPS now with a Troubador no matter what your gear is.

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Myrh

2.8k seems low.

To give you a baseline, We just hit VP, so our raid doesn't have any gear from there yet, but I do have a lot of respectable T1, T2, and instance stuff. Damage spells are split between Adept3 and M1.
With a troub and wiz, and assuming they are doing their jobs, putting out 3.7k - 4.8k range (ext dps) is not unreasonable to expect.

Assuming your rotation is good and given the info you posted, I would say:
1) Mash faster
2) Your spell crit seems low. pre-vp gear plus buffs can easily get you up in the 80%+ range.
3) Check your adornments, food, and AA lines. Maybe something outta whack there?
4) Melee more?

While none of these are big gains, they add up.

Without seeing the parse output, not sure there's much more I can add.


- Myrh

agressiv

Tip on that:

Max range is your friend. You will completely avoid all stuns/fears/stifles. You might still get some damage shield damage, but they are not enough to kill you unless you have a choker and your healer is feared the whole fight.

agressiv

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Not being an expert with ACT, I wasn't able to remove all the named fights and get a overall parse. So I went through and picked an 'average' parse. I hope I've uploaded things properly as well.

Hammer

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I guess I was expecting that by posting my stuff, but I'm ok with it. Just means I need to work harder.

I find it funny that when I run instance zones, I'm usually top 2 in the parse... I guess there's a lot of people out there that are even more terrible than I am hehe


But seriously,

agreed

With my best item being the PG and my fabled epic, I'd love to get my hands on some T1/2 gear much less VP gear (although I did loot the charred pattern for wrists last night)

hehe, I don't read raid chat, server chat or anything else except mash buttons as fast as possible.

Working on it. Confirmed last night I'm at 65% with buffs, potions, and adornments. If I can add the burdened signet from CoA, the helm and chest from maidens, and the cloak from RE2, That will bring me into that range.

Adornments - only missing fabled ones on hands, neck, and the legendary chest needs replacing for the new robe
Food - using INT/STA
Drink - Using magma infusion (although my boi is around 750)
AA - I'm not quite maxed yet (sitting at 135), and I'm almost identical to the other illu (lacking in the STR line for the remaining points)

I'm usually right next to the mob swinging away. Although I need work on my position pre-pull so I'm not running to the mob after the fight has started.


Thanks everyone for their input so far, it's much appreciated (even the slam from Pinski hehe - nothing like a little kick in the butt to get even more motivated to dps higher).

Hammer