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Old 01-19-2009, 07:00 PM  
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Ok stupid question from a non-illy....I have a 80 fury that does 2300 on raid parse, the lvl 80 illy in my guild struggles to get 1k on the parse. Is there a reason I out DPS her other then her being a waste of a mage?
If everything below is true:
- The illy is in a group without mage-enhancing buffs
- The illy is poorly equipped (and gear from solo quests/mastercrafted counts as poorly equipped for raids), so INT isn't maxxed, +spell crit is < 35%, and/or spell damage is < ~800
- The illy has been told to focus as much time as possible on mana-regen spells
- low AA total (from being speed levelling without questing/exploring/killing nameds)

Then it's a reasonable DPS for your illusionist. The easiest explanation, of course, is the illusionist is asleep at the keyboard.

One way to tell without using ACT: does your illusionist end a long fight with full mana or low mana? A good illusionist gets enough casting time boosts to overcome their mana-regen and can burn through quite a bit mana fairly quickly

Gear makes a *huge* difference. When I first hit 80, most of my gear was from the solo quests and/or mastercrafted. In a typical group, I was averaging about 1.5k DPS. As my gear improved, I saw that number go up.

Inspect your illusionist. Some achievable stats for a level 80 illusionist:
- softcap max INT at 1220 (level*15 + 20)
- + spell damage between 800 and 1500 (and closer to 1500)
- + spell crit 40% - ?? (I'm still working on my spell crit -- everything I have could use a spell crit upgrade)

If your illusionist is falling short in all 3 categories, he needs to focus on better equipment.

These numbers are just a starting point; I'm still working on equipping my illusionist. A raid veteran could give you typical numbers for an instance/raid geared illusionist.

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i only have one question...it this illy's name BRAINE? fuck all those excuses as to why he could be parsing low...bitch is lazy!
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i only have one question...it this illy's name BRAINE? fuck all those excuses as to why he could be parsing low...bitch is lazy!
Braine is still being dumb in illy chat? I've almost missed that.... almost
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1k dps is that a zw? OMG i was doing more in KoS raids with MC gear lmao. Tell them to read noob thread and hit beam and addorn(dont put on yourself) when ever up
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Inspect your illusionist. Some achievable stats for a level 80 illusionist:
- softcap max INT at 1220 (level*15 + 20)
- + spell damage between 800 and 1500 (and closer to 1500)
- + spell crit 40% - ?? (I'm still working on my spell crit -- everything I have could use a spell crit upgrade)

If your illusionist is falling short in all 3 categories, he needs to focus on better equipment.
1. That is not the softcap, it is the hard cap, and since it is dependent on the spell level, not your level, it actually starts at 1095 for level 71 spells. INT of 700-800 has been typical of my 'just got to 80' characters. Should work slowly up to 900-1000 as you get gear and INT buff should cap you in raids eventually (or might cap with fury buff).

2. Spell damage for most spells for Illys cap in the 600-800 range. by that range you are getting way into diminishing returns. If your +SD is 500-600+ start worrying a *lot* more about crit and even reuse... definitely by 800 you're seeing very little return unless you've got crazy base damage, all master spells, etc. (those all raise the cap...)

3. Crit of 50%+ self buffed is easily achievable through questing and with a few basic instance runs, legendary items you can buy on the broker, etc. Should be able to hit 60-70% fairly soon into getting raid gear, depending on your raids place in the progression. Of course mythical goes a long way toward that...
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definitely by 800 you're seeing very little return unless you've got crazy base damage, all master spells, etc. (those all raise the cap...)
basedmg doesnt
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If a lvl 80 illusionist puts their dps spells onto hot bar one and bangs their head against the keyboard they will parse more than 1k, i tried it once and did 2k zw in vp but my gear is pretty good.

omg lmao, I gotta try this! Did you head hurt when you were done? hehe
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+Base damage doesn't raise the cap?
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Since TSO it should do, since the order in which damage was calculated changed... I haven't tested whether it does or not, so I could be wrong still.
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I thought it was is all!
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