bigron

Some no like charm or fail effects.
But most yes ......like detrimental that makes you do 1 damage.

And since they added the pet effects to gear.... detrimentials do not go into first slots so the old trick of targeting through pet doesnt work that much cause detrimentials are mixed in the middle.

Oh yeah and not like i can cure that trauma/nox detrimential anyway even if knew what the fuck was on the pet.....but you guys klinda share in the fun also since you have controllable pets to.

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Xalmat

Pets are as much a victim of stupid reactives as anyone else. Even moreso: Some fights ACT shows my pet gets hit by stupid reactives even more than I do.

AoE immunity you refer to comes from Necromancer and Conjuror AA lines (Conjurors drop this line once they get mythical'd) and both summoner mythical weapons proc AoE immunity to the pet. But the summoner mythical proc is not always up and can't be relied on, so most of the time the pet takes full AoE damage. Only reason the mythical pets don't die outright (like the non-mythical pets usually do to an AE) is because the pets have a lot of HP and can actually take a beating. But they still need to be cured of all those damn DoT AoE too or they die a fast death.

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Frodogorn

Thanks for the info!

My assumptions were based on personal observations and parses of our Necro. On many fights where I find myself locked down alot, I have seen his place in the parse climb and sometimes exceed mine. It is likely a result of his pet blocker.

I also suspect that some of the random dps killing curses like those from Health or Ykesha might not go on pets... Any idea?

Anyways, nothing like playing a fast casting class in this environment. If you wanna call it playing. I run with 7 triggers of prismatic and that triggers the ds stifles/stuns/damage-reductions with each trigger of PA, so combine that with chain casting and I sometimes just throw my fuckin hands up in frustration. I'd love to see a reduction in those mechanics. Especially if the proc changes go in.

-Gerrod

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Xalmat

Correct, random shit like that does not hit our pet. Which is a good thing because if they did then pets would be outright banned on those fights (there's almost no way of knowing the pet is hit with a detrimental, much less a specific curse like that).

Can't speak for Necros but Conjurors get hit by those reactives a lot, since we cast a spell every 1.5 seconds or so.

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Crespin

It does say only item procs right? Then that shouldn't be as big a deal at least to chanters. It won't affect adornment, PoM, PoTM, the other troub proc, tandem, etc. Only things like HoDD, The Wand out of SoH, and all the new "insert mob type" bane gear.

I was looking at some of my parses from palace (I'm 9-10k right now) and actual item procs (I have HoDD, the wand and a few bane pieces) only accounted for like 600dps or so on a given fight. Even if I lost 2/3 of that it's not a huge deal.

Now if they mess with non item procs it'll be a huge deal.

Crespin

Frodogorn

Yes, it seems the nerf is only on item procs and possibly item proc rates.

I am surprised your procs dps would only be 600 though. Anyone capable of clearing just Shard of Hate and Palace of Ferzhul should be easily doubling or tripling those numbers with little base damage.

If you do not have access to end game items, obviously you won't see as big a nerf to your personal dps.

However, some of us have 10-15 or so proc items w/ many of the damage procs doing 200-500 dps for us, some of those spiking to 1k+, and even an item (charm of sol ro) doing 2k+ on many fights.

Factor in the loss of crit and base damage mod to those and that is a substantial loss of dps. IF they also make it so items can't have their proc rate modified then the situation is indeed grim (my item ppm is often capped).

-Gerrod

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Crespin

No I don't have that many. Currently I'm using 4 pieces that proc (HoDD, Wicked Wand, void bane cloak, ethernaut dagger. My raid group doesn't do avatars yet and we are a fair chunk of the way through the TSO raid zones. I'm wearing a vp 2 set, tso 2 set, robe of dark power, HoDD and a tier 3 piece from WoE. I haven't had much luck getting proc jewelry. Have the choker but all my rings/ears/wrist are all crit/spell (do have najena's ring, but otherwise fairly unlucky on jewelry drops, we seem to get a lot of scout/healer jewelry).

I would think the biggest impact would be on the proc on every attack type which there aren't that many of, the hits X times per minute don't seem to add that much to me parse wise. Probably a bigger impact on names since the 30 second trash fights they only proc a time or two (yes I know free dps is good).

I guess I'm just saying I'm holding judgement on if the sky is falling until I actually see it in game to see what the real impact is.

If they go beyond item procs then I'll join the screaming crowd hehe

Crespin

Velizar

Just get a bracelet of dark energy and you're set.

Praetorian1337

crespin you are in almost the exact same boat as me, but with some better gear. I dont think ill take a giant hit dps-wise as long as its from items only, and not spells

Xennon

So I'm visiting the conjy thread and come upon a quote that was made by Gerrod.

Kinda amused me how much of a fuckwit he was thinking that awesome utility chanters should out DPS summoners. Have summoners been broken that long, or does this Gerrod really think that chanters should always out DPS a pure DPS class?
Perhaps chanters should also wear plate armor and heal?

So from there I went and made my sig in honor of this pure retarded fuck for all to see following my posts! YEAHZIEZ!

Then I pop over to this thread and realize that Gerrod really doesn't seem like suck a bad guy. But it does seem like he does in fact think chanters should indeed always out DPS summoners.

Now I am torn. I believe I will leave this sig up for only a week or so and then change it since, though retarded, he doesn't seem like a horrible bastard.

Anywho, enjoy the publicity for now!

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