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Manratten · 07-18-2008, 11:00 AM

I guess I don't get it.

If the avatars are aren't up for them to be pulled, and they aren't getting "practice", it seems reasonable to me that people would go to the test server and give it a shot. If nothing else, it would help them be more competitive on their own regular server in the future.

Isn't that what everyone is always preaching about here? They want the competition?

nemesizzz · 07-18-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

I guess I don't get it.

If the avatars are aren't up for them to be pulled, and they aren't getting "practice", it seems reasonable to me that people would go to the test server and give it a shot. If nothing else, it would help them be more competitive on their own regular server in the future.

Isn't that what everyone is always preaching about here? They want the competition?

Its just wrong, evil perhaps to raid on test. Its simply not fair to the avatar killing guilds on the live server's. I mean they learned the encounters on live with no competition so why shouldnt less hardcore guilds learn by getting a handful of pulls each week. People like competition, they like easy competition.

Uyaem · 07-18-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Manratten

Isn't that what everyone is always preaching about here? They want the competition?

The question is, how. To illustrate my point, would you consider sharing encounter information or give pointers to a rivaling guild just to spice things up? Probably not, but does that automatically mean you don't want anybody else in the race? It does not.
So competition is wanted, on equal grounds. You play, you watch, you try, you fail, you succeed within the boundaries of the "game board". You do not phone up Kasparow and say "hey Garri, so what'll happen if I move my tower to A7" while playing a match against Spasski.
Yea this one is far out, but I love those metaphors.

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Originally Posted by nemesizzz

I mean they learned the encounters on live with no competition

Yes, we should have really contacted you and beg you to show up after you stopped doing so. It's clearly our fault you couldn't be arsed.

nemesizzz · 07-18-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

Because that's what that server is for, right?
Kind of a dull question to be honest.

Interesting you refuse to answer lessing's question yet you like to jump on me.

nemesizzz · 07-18-2008, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Uyaem

The question is, how. To illustrate my point, would you consider sharing encounter information or give pointers to a rivaling guild just to spice things up? Probably not, but does that automatically mean you don't want anybody else in the race? It does not.
So competition is wanted, on equal grounds. You play, you watch, you try, you fail, you succeed within the boundaries of the "game board". You do not phone up Kasparow and say "hey Garri, so what'll happen if I move my tower to A7" while playing a match against Spasski.
Yea this one is far out, but I love those metaphors.

Yes, we should have really contacted you and beg you to show up after you stopped doing so. It's clearly our fault you couldn't be arsed.

Its not that we couldnt be arsed going for avatars there was other reasons we didnt invest alot of time on them. Remember we did have some attempts on flame without ill gotten mythicals.
And even if it was the case that we couldnt be arsed it dosent change the fact that you guys got a very easy run in learning almost every avatar encounter.

Hadriel · 07-18-2008, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nemesizzz

Its not that we couldnt be arsed going for avatars there was other reasons we didnt invest alot of time on them. Remember we did have some attempts on flame without ill gotten mythicals.
And even if it was the case that we couldnt be arsed it dosent change the fact that you guys got a very easy run in learning almost every avatar encounter.

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Lolthinae · 07-18-2008, 10:07 PM

This whole argument is kind of funny. So, one guild get's invited to test raid content in soe's internal test program, another have contact to devs and get inside information, or just a detailed break-down of encounter mechanics, another goes to test to try out mobs that they never get much of a shot at on live. The last at least shows a bit of initiative, but really, what's the difference?

You wanna learn? You wanna do what you can to gain that edge over the competition? You use the resources that are available to you. Simple as that.

I'd say, kudos to those that actually manage to get their whole guild on test, and do some raiding there, god knows a lot of raid content need better testing anyway

Obsidian · 07-19-2008, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nemesizzz

Its not that we couldnt be arsed going for avatars there was other reasons we didnt invest alot of time on them. Remember we did have some attempts on flame without ill gotten mythicals.
And even if it was the case that we couldnt be arsed it dosent change the fact that you guys got a very easy run in learning almost every avatar encounter.

people seem to keep forgetting that we done it the hard way in T7 for the convenience of there argument and plz u think mythicals make a difference on flame lol ? stop highlighting how clueless you are imo flame is pure gimp

the fact is and ill say that again "FACT" we learned mobs and stole them from a avatar killing (first pulling sometimes) guild , you can try play that off with your bull shit but its true

oh and its not our fault we had an easy time in T8 its yours plain and simple

Uyaem · 07-19-2008, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by nemesizzz

Interesting you refuse to answer lessing's question yet you like to jump on me.

Do I have to regurgitate again?
Test server means testing, feedbacking, having a sneak peak on uncoming changes affecting you and your character, and again, giving feedback about that experience.
Test server does not mean practice to advance your guild.

So there, I did answer his fucking question. I called it dull because I provided that answer already before he actually asked said question.

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Originally Posted by Lolthinae

This whole argument is kind of funny. So, one guild get's invited to test raid content in soe's internal test program, another have contact to devs and get inside information, or just a detailed break-down of encounter mechanics, another goes to test to try out mobs that they never get much of a shot at on live. The last at least shows a bit of initiative, but really, what's the difference?

There's little difference, and we have never fallen into either category.

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Originally Posted by Lolthinae

I'd say, kudos to those that actually manage to get their whole guild on test, and do some raiding there, god knows a lot of raid content need better testing anyway

Yes, testing needs to be done about three months after the shit is live, and I bet every person in that raid has filled out at least three feedback forms.

nemesizzz · 07-19-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Obsidian

people seem to keep forgetting that we done it the hard way in T7 for the convenience of there argument and plz u think mythicals make a difference on flame lol ? stop highlighting how clueless you are imo flame is pure gimp

the fact is and ill say that again "FACT" we learned mobs and stole them from a avatar killing (first pulling sometimes) guild , you can try play that off with your bull shit but its true

oh and its not our fault we had an easy time in T8 its yours plain and simple

You dont need to tell me anything about flame or any other avatar encounter i know how gimp flame is trust me P
And yes mythicals dont make a difference on a gimp mob, more hp more power, more health more dps, more heals... yeah they make no difference...
And im not saying its your fault you had an easy run at t8 avatars.. im just saying you did and its a fact.. so there is no argument there.. You might think we are gimp for going on test fair enough..
We take the point and can live with it. Dont concern yourself to much we wont be losing any sleep over it.