Rating a healer and analysing information. - Page 3

arturos · 10-30-2007, 01:21 PM

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Also playing an MT Templar, I find myself throwing out heals on other healers groups. I shouldn't have to but sometimes it's either that, or watch someone die. Look at who the healers are healing. It tells a story too.

so what your saying is that when a mob (hrm x4 trash mob 3rd floor plant for example) turns their attention to the brigand in G3 that the solo healer in that group should be able to keep that brigand alive??
If that was true then why the fuck do we have more then one healer in the MT group??
You got plate on that brig has chain heck he should be able to tank the mob then right?
/slaps forehead oh ya thats right because the mob hits like a fucking truck.. this aint pickup groups fighting heroics, but im sure u knew that. or did u???

So next time your playing meatsheild and you lose agro, make sure to yell at your healers to not heal that brigand.. ya.. thats how u fucking heal a raid..

listen most raids now days role with 6 maybe 7 healers in the force. Every healer is there to cover/fill in toss extra heals on any player in that raid. what you were doing on your templar was your fucking job, not something amazing...
gads to expect a solo healer to heal through the same damage that normally takes 2-3? thats just fucking dumb....

oddyophile · 10-30-2007, 01:31 PM

That brigand better drop aggro, or he deserves to die. Better yet, your MT better not lose aggro, or your OT better be able to pick it up before it kills that poor, stupid brigand.

The lesson here is: It takes a raid to kill brigand.

Mephiston · 10-30-2007, 01:34 PM

indeed a big thing often missed by ppl who die often to agro, the key is dpsing, and NOT pulling agro. agro is a raid wide effort, and not only the mt or his dump etc

opening with ice nova, or decap doesnt mean your tank or healers suck, it means your not being a team player.

theres alot to it

being a healer officer is one of the more complex jobs in raiding it seems

Xudanab · 10-30-2007, 01:56 PM

The duration of combat check is a good idea. Just because a heal isn't needed doesn't mean the healer should be idle. Debuffs and dps should be going if there isn't healing to do.

I'd love to see a cure parse, but I don't think that would be too easy to do. I'm not sure that any text is created when you cast a cure and the message from a debuff, dot, etc wearing off vs. being cured is the same I'm pretty sure.

arturos · 10-30-2007, 02:07 PM

i was reading about the profit UI (as im sure some of you know they have implemented all cure buttons across the raid.) No u cant see an entire raid forces impairments still only the group window can show that its just a single click to cure. Anyway i was reading that they hope by spring of next year that sony will put that data up in a raid environment, so that profit will be ready and able to display the cure needs like they do in the group window. If/when that comes to pass im willing to bet that a cure parse will be a short time to follow.

for me the fucking agro monkies are using that GD scale bow and critting on pull... Not much a tank can/should do to get agro back from that bullshit. I will be honest i have told my groupmembers that if they do something stupid on pull like crit for 13k or some shit their chances for survival are slim at best cause they are gonna be that mobs bitch for the next 5 seconds.... most of the time they live but every now and then they die...

Ulric · 10-30-2007, 02:46 PM

Yeah, I wasn't even talking about tossing an aggro puller a heal. What stands out more in my mind is seeing that monk in group 3 beating the crap out of himself on a mobs damage shield with his extra life draining haste buff on, or seeing their whole group in the yellow and wondering why they haven't tossed a group heal yet. Then I start to see someone in their group dip into orange or know another AE is gonna land soon and if they don't group heal someone is going to die. I try to keep that from happening and while it helps to pad my heal parse, the MT and my group should be the focus of my attention, not their group too.

Leorra · 10-30-2007, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by arturos

i was reading about the profit UI (as im sure some of you know they have implemented all cure buttons across the raid.) No u cant see an entire raid forces impairments still only the group window can show that its just a single click to cure. Anyway i was reading that they hope by spring of next year that sony will put that data up in a raid environment, so that profit will be ready and able to display the cure needs like they do in the group window. If/when that comes to pass im willing to bet that a cure parse will be a short time to follow.

I would use Profit UI if they did that.

pagansaint · 10-31-2007, 01:25 AM

Me and Seif would still own you for curing. But that would definitely be the best possible upgrade to the interface as it is now.

Leorra · 10-31-2007, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

Me and Seif would still own you for curing. But that would definitely be the best possible upgrade to the interface as it is now.

In your dreams would you ever own me and my 1200 peices of avatar lewt!!!

f1-f6 and Bruce Lee like muscle memory reflexs 4tw!!!!

Boofer · 10-31-2007, 05:00 AM

Lol typical - You open a thread get a few good replys and then it gets cold. So you say thankyou and leave it. Sods law next day its up to 3 pages long. Lol. Thanks all for the replies

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Originally Posted by arturos

damn enopia, why the micro managment approach?? You realize by doing this your gonna run the risk of offending a good healer and possibly losing them right??

Just focus on the basics, is their group complaining to you privately?? about no cures? no heals? no buffs? do you notice that the agro whore in their group dies alot??
if that is the case then all the raids healers need to be smacked upside their head for thinking that any healer can solo heal an x4's damage on a non tank toon.
while swapping them out is cute and all whats the fucking point? what healer wouldnt know to push heals in the MT group, thats just stupid.

Just remember that all healers help each other not just the MT healers. For me personally i got my assist macro and i heal thru the mob.

Good luck to you Enopia it kinda sounds like you might have just gotten a lead healer job or some kind of job where you get to baby sit the healers in the raid. Dont fix what is not broken. This is end game EOF half the guilds out there dont use wardens in the MT group any more. I have seen a trash mob heal parse where the necro came in third on the heal parse behind the MT shammy and MT templar. the rest of the healers did not need to heal....

Thanks Arturos. No i havent got the lead healer job (thank god) but rather this is really in responce to occasional complaints about the healer force. In most cases it was along the lines of "On 'this raid' the healer force let us down". Rather a generic statement I think you will agree. Now we can of course do the micro managment and intensly examine the raid fight by fight taking into account all the factors. But that is extreme in my opinion. So I decided to use the benefit of experience here on the forums to help simplify.

My goal is to be able to turn round to the people saying that QUICKLY and prove to them that the healers werent at fault. If we were then a quick way of finding the problem so the person/s in question can be approached and poked. We quite often have alts and such helping in raids (usually weekend KOS ones) who we may come to rely on in future if ever people drift away or get bored so its good to make sure they know if they are doing something wrong.

However its become clear that any quick easy method of micromanagement is really wishful thinking at this point. Still alot have useful ideas have come up so far so keep em coming!!

Thanks

Enopia