Boofer

Hello,

When it comes to rating players, most classes have little problems. Tanks can be rated on how well they control aggro, DPSers can be rated on their parser results.

However when it comes to healers in general it seems to be 50% science and 50% black magic and voodoo (human intuition)

Currently using ACT to analyse on a fight by fight basis (taking cures, group setups, deaths, etc into account) seems to be the only way of accomplishing this. However its never perfect and often you miss things such as was the healer constantly stunned. Getting accurate results would therefore involve also interviewing each healer on a fight by fight basis. No raid leader in their right mind will let that happen.

So if i want to analyse a particular healer for performance. Or i want to see if a there is a weakness in the healer force I have a lot of work to do to try to build up a picture. It will never be truely accurate either.

So my question to all you veterans and experts is how do you monitor your healer force. Is there a clinical way that is relatively easy to impliment or am I just going to have to suck it up and do what is being done?

Your help would be very greatfully accepted.

Regards

Enopia
70 - Inquisitor
Wanderers of Norrath
Nektulos Server

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Pinski

Does the group live through AEs and get cured from dots in a suitable amount of time?

Does the Healer do some DPS when fighting trash if not in the MT group?

Those are the 2 ways to see if a healer is any good. The other, is to toss them into the MT Group and tell the defiler to stop healing and see where they rank on the heal parse. Or if they are the MT Defiler, if they aren't #1 or a close #2, then they aren't very good.

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Boofer

Thankyou Pinski,

However prehaps a slight rephrasing on my part would have been appropriate. You see this is not a witchunt to find bad healers but rather a way to see where a particular healer is weak and where not. For instance if he/she is good at the healing aspect but weak on the cures. Or maybe he over heals and runs OOP. Maybe he/she runs a "script" (not literaly, i mean he/she does the same heals repetitvely all the time) in healing and therefore doesnt cope with spike damage or sudden changes. Even to see if they have a problem with tactics.

You see the idea is rather to improve existing healers. To improve them in areas where they may be weak that maybe they weren't even aware of. So what im trying to monitor is the specific aspects of healing individually.

However on the plus side the throwing them in the MT group definetly makes it easier to see as a test along with a single healer group to examine cures.

Keep em coming, thankyou

Enopia

quasigenx

I usually look at zonewides only for healers. I expect the MT group to shakeout as Shaman > Cleric > Druid. Outside the MT, I look at whether they are keeping their group alive.

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Boofer

With respect thou that surely gives very little actual information

1. The person being tested may be great at the healing and fit the profile yet the raid could wipe because he doesn't cure quickly for example.
2. An OT group healer who is lower than his companion healer on the S>C>D tree will have a low parse which is not a true reflection of their effort because on the trash mobs he will hardly register yet the heals need to be up incase.
3. The zonewide by itself really does not give enough information taking into account the very specific information Im after.

Deaths is an obvious one but it doesn't tell you how or why they died. Was it lack of cures or low healage etc....

Enopia

the_mo

whats the actual point of this?

if healer X can keep his group alive and no one from the group "reports" hes slow on curing, hes fine and theres absolutely no need to go further into detail

Mephiston

and fuck zone wide heal parses, take EH very little healing is needed for the vast majority of that zone now in a dps group. the odd named and or AE.

compare that to a class that has auto heals (sk,necro etc) and youll probably not look too good, despite no unavoidable deaths (over agro etc)

course that depends on healer type but as an inquis there are times when things are bumping along nicely and without over writing your templars reactives there aint shit to do for heals (trash etc) so you debuff dps etc.

onorc

You should also take into consideration that shaman wards are not true heals but actually damage prevention. Yet they are always counted on the heal parses which is why they parse so high. If wards are goining to be counted then other classes with stoneskin or similar abilities should be thrown into your rankings.

To get an accurate representation of how much a healer heals, eq2 heal parses should include actual healing versus overhealing which a ward would be calculated as most heal parses in WoW supports.

I just confused myself, but I think that makes sense. I'm not sure the client supports overheal calculation but like someone above posted, if you just mash buttons constantly and run low on power because of it, then you aren't really a good healer just because your tank is healed.

And to the flamer post above, who said the OP only wanted to know how the various healers performed in a raid only environment. Sounds to me that the OP wants to know the entire picture not just the raid picture.

Boofer

My thanks to all who posted. It would seem their is no real shortcut (What I was afraid of) to examining a healers strengths or weaknesses. It is still a case of examining each fight by itself and seeing the results.

However not a complete loss as some of the insight given when testing to see if a new healer is any good has been very valuable on its own as a simple way of testing.

Many Thanks

Enopia

Mephiston

what?

flamer post? i was merely pointing out a flaw with zone wides. and tbh raid content is barely a good judge of preformance with the game getting easier and easier all the time, heroic content, which can b tanked and solo healed by almost anyone is no way to judge anything, other than how effectively you pass your time.

/shrug if you want to see preformance under fire, you need the hardest scenarios, raids currently present that. it also allows you to easily compare most classes at once on the same encounters