Inquistors are waaay overpowered... - Page 4

Avirodar · 01-01-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Leorra

Not gonna rehash E:Fanat with you again, but Inquisition is pretty much the win.

1) It domintes anytime the raid is taking mass ae dmg.
Which is infrequent, especially with enough people being in range to make it worth the 765 power per use (or 1530 with fana), before their own healers drop a 2500+hp group heal.

2) On Non ae fights it stacks with druids HoTs....um yeah 1337
Try the templar spell, Repent. Stacks with shaman wards. Reuse of 30 seconds. Compare the zonewide healing done by Inquisition, when used every opportunity, against a templar using Repent on the MT every opportunity, for a full run of VP. And a templar gets personal heal parse credit for their lvl80 special, we don't.

3) it increase our solo grp healing capabilities exponentionaly
So does a wardens fairy, so does a defilers extra ward spell, so does a templars repent, etc. We're not the only class that got a new heal spell...

Maybe its my gear maybe its my masters or maybe its both but the power cost barely registers on my power bar. So there is no downside to Inquisition for me.
If you're using no power, means you could be doing more. And my gear is far from lacking. I also have the M1 of Inquisition

It would be very nice if Inquisition gave direct credit to us on a heal parse. There has been some fights I have done a lot of healing, but the heal parse made it look like I did jack shit. Inquisition is decent, but it is not a flawless gods gift to our class that fixes everything. It's a situational effect that sometimes rocks, sometimes sucks.

Leorra · 01-01-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Avirodar

It would be very nice if Inquisition gave direct credit to us on a heal parse. There has been some fights I have done a lot of healing, but the heal parse made it look like I did jack shit. Inquisition is decent, but it is not a flawless gods gift to our class that fixes everything. It's a situational effect that sometimes rocks, sometimes sucks.

Update your ACT and assign Inquisition to yourself.

Stackable heals never suck.... pretty much ever I actually lost a lil respect for you from that comment.

Originally Posted by Leorra

Not gonna rehash E:Fanat with you again, but Inquisition is pretty much the win.

1) It domintes anytime the raid is taking mass ae dmg.
Which is infrequent, especially with enough people being in range to make it worth the 765 power per use (or 1530 with fana), before their own healers drop a 2500+hp group heal

I realize you hvant been aroudn for a bit but half the mobs in vp inflict massive dmg on the raid via dmagae shields, AE's , umm that liquid fire stuff....etc etc. It ticks ever 2 seconds Iono how many class's have a grp heal with a cast time under 2 seconds?

2) On Non ae fights it stacks with druids HoTs....um yeah 1337
Try the templar spell, Repent. Stacks with shaman wards. Reuse of 30 seconds. Compare the zonewide healing done by Inquisition, when used every opportunity, against a templar using Repent on the MT every opportunity, for a full run of VP. And a templar gets personal heal parse credit for their lvl80 special, we don't.

Repent stacks with wads, and Inquisition stacks with HoT's seems pretty comparble to me.

Sure repent will prolly out heal inquisition zw in a mt grp, but repent is single target and Inquisition is RAIDWIDE.

Inquis are not templars we generate our hps with different tools. Just look how we generate our percantges of our total healing. We are much more dependant on direct heals to match a templar parse for parse.

If you wanna go and compare to templars thats fine but you mgiht as well start with stoneskin, mark line, extra stun reactive, etc etc etc.

You seem to get hung up on templars alot in your posts you should realize by now that we are different animals than they are. If you want a templars abilties betray.

Again update your act and assign Inquisiton to yourself.

3) it increase our solo grp healing capabilities exponentionaly
So does a wardens fairy, so does a defilers extra ward spell, so does a templars repent, etc. We're not the only class that got a new heal spell...

lol you said warden fairy.... your really reaching with that one.
Im sorry but your comparisions fail here. Go solo the sisters in Maidens and tell me repent compares to inquistion.

Ill break it down into simple math repent = 2k ward

Inquisiton 15 tick hot for 5-700 It has ticked for me for 1100 before.

15 x 500 = 7500 on the low end....every 1.5 mintues

In the smae time period you could cast repent twice for 4kish

Thats almost double the raw healage.

Maybe its my gear maybe its my masters or maybe its both but the power cost barely registers on my power bar. So there is no downside to Inquisition for me.
If you're using no power, means you could be doing more. And my gear is far from lacking. I also have the M1 of Inquisition

My gear is set up that the more I cast the more power I gain....you should be familiar with this concept Avi....

ROFLMAO Be mt cleric for a Successful VP clear then come talk to me about doing more(Yeah thats right who the fuck needs a templar when you got a Leorra in raid).

Stoic · 01-01-2008, 01:24 PM

I was gonna comment on the topic at hand but both of you are using a god awful dark blue text that makes my eyes bleed. For the love of god please lighten it up so people can read it easier.

Avirodar · 01-01-2008, 03:15 PM

Stoic, sorry for the blue. It looks really crisp and easy to read on my screen :/

Leorra, if you want to pick out a handful of encounters where Inquisition works well, thanks for assisting my statement that it is a situational spell. I also see no problem in comparing the level 80 special heal of Inqs vs Temps. It is hard to say Inquisition is an "equaliser" as some have. It's not bad, it's not uber. It's decent, it's comparable.

For redirecting Inquisition on ACT heal parses, it can't always be done as there has often been two Inquisitors on the raids I attend. That's why I would love to see direct game credit given to the relevant Inq. I've been through VP twice, so I know what is in the zone. I am sorry for your guild not having a good templar to put in the MT group. Good job taking up the MT group spot. Would be good fun, and I now understand why you were so happy about getting the Drelikus guard.

"15 x 500 = 7500 on the low end....every 1.5 mintues"
Read the description for Inquisition. Your low end calculation is odd given the way the spell works... Assuming a full raid:

The low end is 0 (24*15*0) (people * ticks * hp healed)
The top end is 24*15*803 = 289,080 in 30s, repeatable every 1:30.

To hit top end, you need 24 people to all be standing within 5 meters of the mob, and actually recieve the full heal amount of every single tick from Inquisition spanning 30 seconds. How often is that going to happen? Not very... Would it be the hottest shit in town if we could pull that off? hell yes.

But what is realistic? An AE is due, you cast Inquisition. You can lose between 1 to 5 ticks of Inquisition waiting for the AE to hit, maybe getting a couple of small heals on the MT if their HP drops. AE hits - You will not have the majority of the raid in point blank range. Most healers know it is coming and are ready to drop a group heal. With traumatic on the mob, inquisition being up for the next AE is a tight call. You will get a few heals in, if you can encourage people to stay in close. This is why Inquisition is low on the versatility scale.

Snapping up a bit of the excess raid wide heal takeup from a non fatal AE is something templars have had a good hold on for a long time. It's good to get a way to compete with them. The new templar spell is something even an OT templar can use on the MT, very effectively, which gives it very high level of versatility, even though it can not potentially heal as much as Inquisition.

Note: I am not saying Inquisition sucks. I am saying it is not uber shit that makes us rule. Spells given to other healers are highly comparable when taking all circumstances into consideration. Do I use Inquisition when I can. Yes!

I just will not glorify what I regard as decent/handy.

And yup, I know a lot about power maintenance. It's a <3 of mine.

Mmm. Now my beer is empty, my post is done. Have fun!

Leorra · 01-01-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Avirodar

Stoic, sorry for the blue. It looks really crisp and easy to read on my screen :/

Leorra, if you want to pick out a handful of encounters where Inquisition works well, thanks for assisting my statement that it is a situational spell. I also see no problem in comparing the level 80 special heal of Inqs vs Temps. It is hard to say Inquisition is an "equaliser" as some have. It's not bad, it's not uber. It's decent, it's comparable.

For redirecting Inquisition on ACT heal parses, it can't always be done as there has often been two Inquisitors on the raids I attend. That's why I would love to see direct game credit given to the relevant Inq. I've been through VP twice, so I know what is in the zone. I am sorry for your guild not having a good templar to put in the MT group. Good job taking up the MT group spot. Would be good fun, and I now understand why you were so happy about getting the Drelikus guard.

"15 x 500 = 7500 on the low end....every 1.5 mintues"
Read the description for Inquisition. Your low end calculation is odd given the way the spell works... Assuming a full raid:

The low end is 0 (24*15*0) (people * ticks * hp healed)
The top end is 24*15*803 = 289,080 in 30s, repeatable every 1:30.

To hit top end, you need 24 people to all be standing within 5 meters of the mob, and actually recieve the full heal amount of every single tick from Inquisition spanning 30 seconds. How often is that going to happen? Not very... Would it be the hottest shit in town if we could pull that off? hell yes.

But what is realistic? An AE is due, you cast Inquisition. You can lose between 1 to 5 ticks of Inquisition waiting for the AE to hit, maybe getting a couple of small heals on the MT if their HP drops. AE hits - You will not have the majority of the raid in point blank range. Most healers know it is coming and are ready to drop a group heal. With traumatic on the mob, inquisition being up for the next AE is a tight call. You will get a few heals in, if you can encourage people to stay in close. This is why Inquisition is low on the versatility scale.

Snapping up a bit of the excess raid wide heal takeup from a non fatal AE is something templars have had a good hold on for a long time. It's good to get a way to compete with them. The new templar spell is something even an OT templar can use on the MT, very effectively, which gives it very high level of versatility, even though it can not potentially heal as much as Inquisition.

Note: I am not saying Inquisition sucks. I am saying it is not uber shit that makes us rule. Spells given to other healers are highly comparable when taking all circumstances into consideration. Do I use Inquisition when I can. Yes!

I just will not glorify what I regard as decent/handy.

And yup, I know a lot about power maintenance. It's a <3 of mine.

Mmm. Now my beer is empty, my post is done. Have fun!

Its not a odd calculation its a direct single target comparsion vs repent on a MT or OT.

The MT or OT Will ALWAYS be within 5 meter of the mob and therefore take the highest lvl of HoT proc based on range.

So like I said 15 x 500 = 7500 signel target on a MT or OT ...low end.

I cast inquisiton every time it is up on a raid and it is a significant % of my zw heals, about 25% or so in the MT grp.

Our Templar who is in romania visiting his family for 2 weeks has repent do about 30% of his zw heals in the MT grp.

I am OT/MT tank grp cleric, I am shield ally spec'd, and I heal my ass off. Im not a buff bot inquis there to keep dps up on ae fights. I make tanks live, and I do it well.

I dont not use Inquisition situatinally I use it evertime it is up for the stackable hot heal. Thats called....doing something more...

Im sorry you have another Inquis in your raid and dont get credit for Inquisition. Why dont you shut up all the shitalkers from disso and send the other inquis packing.

I fully disagree with you Inquisition is oObar

Lepios · 01-01-2008, 08:37 PM

are you guys seriously discussing if inquisition is a good spell or not? The potential of the spell has no rival at all, period, end of discussion. It has a big power cost but hell any raider will a drop of intelligence can manage power to any degree. I really dont understand how you can bitch about the spell when its honestly overpowered based on all other spells. Templars having the largest single target ward in game is pretty fucked up too. Just because it doesnt make you a sandwich and bring you a coke doesnt mean its not a good spell.

also if you are not casting inquiston every time its up, you should go out to the barn and hang yourself for being that retarded. Your never going to time it perfect, just accept it. Inquisition isnt the only spell you have, so cast it and get use out of it.