Inquisitor DPS mode now pointless (endgame)?? - Page 3

arturos · 04-04-2008, 04:36 PM

Was it just me or did you actually post something that did exactly what you wanted us to do for you??

are you arguing with yourself on this one?? cause right now im confused...

oh wait i get it.. you think that the only way to hammer those high numbers is to start spamming CAs the second the mob gets in range. Based upon what u said up there that must be it.
of course.. i knew it shit.. why didnt i think of just spamming my CAs back to back.. /forehead smack. im such a newb.. damnit..

Catseyes · 04-08-2008, 06:45 AM

he's nor saying that. Look at the thread name. He's saying that our %DPS in raid (that is sightly different from just rough personnal dps) has lowered due to the exponential increase on dps classes.

Where before ~3 k dps was good to bring on a 40-50 K max raid dps , it's not as useful on a 100+ k one.

Meph was the closest to answer i think. Yes, may be you bring less Raid dps % than before , but every bit of dps is still good to bring.
That's main difference between a middle raid dps and a high one.
As meph said, if you dont need to heal much, then stay in dps gear, and bring as much as u can while doing your cure/heal/haste job. That's why inquies are liked still.

the wheel turn, in favor of a playstyle then another, in favor of some classes then other ones. Struggle thru that and wear proudly the inquisition flag

Mephiston · 04-08-2008, 09:02 AM

indeed be greatfull you have multiple roles, at no time should an inquisitor ever be bored when raiding, or sitting still :p

why would you ever want to just sit there and do nothing? and why would your raid leader ever allow you not to contribute as much as you can?

Ragnaroeker · 04-08-2008, 01:01 PM

I can't believe I am actually posting here. I have been terrified for over 3 years ... FLAME IMMUNITY, FTW. (more like chicken ^%&^, but here it goes.) First, I want to thank all of you, because without the information each of you have posted and questions you have asked, I would never have even come close to being able to raid the end content of this game. So thanks for not being a chicken ^%& like me.

Secondly and most importantly, EVERY PERSON ON A RAID COUNTS. I know there are exceptions to this, I was a total noob when I first started playing, and my first main was a Pally. God love the successful ones out there, and thank God my alt was a defiler, which btw, was a total lucky decision. The only reason I started her was because I loved the purple whip from Smite. Which 6 weeks later, SOE took out of the game. (When I say NOOB... I mean POSTER CHILD NOOB). Well, almost 4 years later and after fighting Nexona version "I have lost count", I still classify myself as a noob. Without my guild, I don't exist. A guild is 24 people working together to remain sane as we venture thru Eversony version 2 million and one.

Addressing the dps issue; On last night's raid, we would have wiped had it not been for 2.2k damage at the very last atom of a second. It came down that close. It had been a tough night. MT out of town, and almost one group short. That kill and that success sent all us to bed feeling positive and hopeful about the next raid. I don't care who did the 2.2k. My little 200 dps might be in there somewhere, but the fact is, without it, we would have wiped. EVERY TOON and EVERY THING A TOON CAN DO TO HELP the raid be successful makes YOU WORTH IT. Hell my lame wolf out dps'd me last night. Which brings me to what I would like say about inquisitors.

Don't ever think your heals don't matter. Don't ever think some other class could do it better. I have played a defiler for a long time. I have been in every raid set up possible. The only reason Defilers are on the top of heal parse is because of the nature of the mechanics of the game and the chat logs. ACT can only use what SOE puts in the chat logs. Inquisitors are wonderful. They can DPS and they can heal. Last night I would see the tank dead. All my spells refreshing.. I had nothing and then poof he would be green. I wasn't able to debuff at all last night. Anyone could have played my toon last night. There were 5 keys I hit. Ward, ward, cure, heal, heal. Rinse repeat. That was it. He was double shotted faster than I could click Soul Ward. I mean I flat out sucked, and I know I am on the top of the parse. I also know that without every other healer there, we would have never been successful. PERIOD. It is the person behind the toon.

I am pretty frustrated currently with my defiler. I am not used to not being uber. I have been depressed to the point of doubting my abilities completely. I am not comfortable bidding against the casters and leather wearing healers, in my guild or in Pugs for items that I know benefit them more. If it weren't for the quested items, I would still be in T7 fabled, and it weren't for Overloaded heals, I would probably be guildless.

I have always read posts from the top Defilers and since RoK I have started reading posts from all the healing classes and it is really helping. We are all having issues. Hell, even the Templars are complaining. Lawl.. ( I can say that I hope and not get flamed too badly. If it helps, my Best friend is a templar, lol, and oh lucky me my other really close friend in the game is a fury).

RoK changed alot for many classes. It changed the dynamics of a raid formation and is continuing to do so. I sit here now almost scared to log on after GU 44 goes live today. I know I don't have any numbers for you. I am terrible at conveying the specifics of the data <<of which I have about 37 notebooks>>. So on top of being the perma noob, I am also a nerd. I just wanted you to know it is different for most of us. After putting years into a game and developing our characters, none of us should have to feel unnecessary in a raid. We can't stop SOE from doing what they do, but we can support each other in making sure we remember why we are here. To have fun and see just what we can make these virtual toons of ours do.

You are getting some really good feedback on this one. I am really glad I made today Inquisitor day. I hope you feel better about playing your inquisitor real soon.

<<omgz where is spell check????>>

arturos · 04-08-2008, 02:11 PM

and where is the win one for the gipper ending damnit...

hehe glad u getting a spine to post here man.. In all honesty it just takes a thick skin is all..

Skoshi · 04-18-2008, 03:44 PM

I have 5 toons... one of which is an inquistitor.

At times everyone wants to know what thier "role" is.

In KoS Zerkers were THE TANK TO BE... in RoK... they come in 3rd.

In EoF Inquisitors were The Best scout group healer... they still are really... just not to such a large extreme.

Things come and go... and you guys are getting nerfed... I see it... I watch it it's one of my toons too ;-p But realistically you were outparsing pretty much everyone except T1 DPS... and wearing plate with a shield so had good durability... while being a healer with good buffs. So rather than do the right out there in the open nerf... they are letting Inqs slide down to a more normal DPS level.

That's what they did to Zerkers also... we were great DPS and DPS = aggro... except now our DPS isn't any better than guards on single targets... and warrior DPS has slipped in comparison to scouts also... which means taunts are very important and we have crappy taunts in comparison to Guard and Paladin.

Eventually I think they will find a role suited to us... Zerkers and Inq... but they have to think of the right debuffs and buffs.

Trust me I am not a SOE cheerleader... I'm just saying... I would stick it out... don't betray. SOE has a pendulumn... when they "balance" what they basically do is have a rhino ram that pendulumn as hard as it can... it swings wildly out of control... eventaully it settles down... we scream for balance.. SOE repeats.... basically I am saying I have never seen SOE intelligently balance the classes in EQ1 or EQ2... all I have seen is "flavor of the month" occurances... and right now Inq and Zerkers are not "flavors of the month"

Fritzzz · 04-19-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ragnaroeker

Addressing the dps issue; On last night's raid, we would have wiped had it not been for 2.2k damage at the very last atom of a second.

Just because you beat something with a crappy raid setup does not in no way bring us to the conclusion that you needed to be dpsing at this rate.

I'm not trying to be mean at all. I've made this same stance on verdict before. You should not be rewarded for fucking up. Verdicts only purpose is to reward fuckup pulls or poor raid setups. The same idea with your 2.2k victory--if you almost died -- that is the PROBLEM. The fact that you won with 2.2k is not the SOLUTION, it was just luck.

My guild like many others, has cleared most of this expansion minus Avatars (these would easily be dead but this is a PVP server--we get them down to 50s but then get immunity zerg rushed, which lowers Heals and DPS by 40 percent...u can't block them because they are in immunity--most avatars are by zonelines), Tangrin, and the last shard of hate monster.

When you win, you should win with EVERYONE alive. If people are dieing at all -- SOMEONE is fucking up. That's the moral of this whole expansion. The more people who are dieing in your raid the more fuckups you have in your raid.

So I'm just saying it straight out, you winning because of 2.2k dmg, or whatever it was, was just a luck reward for a massive fuckup on a raid mob. I've been there as well, i've had my victories becuase of luck as well. You should scorn these victories because it means your raid sucked ass, NOT you saved the raid. It means people were not paying attention, the raid was not formed correctly ETC ETC.

Just my own view tho, i know I've seen inq defend Verdict before to death saying what an awesome spell it is, so I won't be surprised to see the same posts about this 2.2k victory kill, but i'm just trying to get you to open your eyes and realize if you rely on those kind of victories your setting yourself up for failure.

A well tuned raid:
A) Should not need your 2.2k dps
B) Should not need verdict

C) Should indeed need your heals.
D) Should be OK with your dps if you can do it.

therefore, dps and verdict are fluff items to our class. They are cool, they are useful, but if you ever need them, your raid is FUCKED UP.

Can you still have fun with a fucked up raid? Yes.
Can you still accomplish shit with a fucked up raid? Yes.
Can you beat a lot of endgame (VP/Trakanon/Avatars/Tangrin) with a fucked up raid? -- I'm going to say the probability is very low.

Yesterday · 04-28-2008, 09:04 AM

Look out! First the inquisitors refuse to maximize their class because they feel their DPS is obsolete....then the mystics...then the bards!...then the furies and enchanters....and before you know it only rangers will be DPS'ing because being obsolete is nothing new to them! Do you really want a raid full of rangers?

So you can't DPS at the same comparative rate as EoF---that doesn't mean your DPS is not useful *shrug---3k more dps = getting through trash/zones faster...verdict = getting through trash/zones faster....Your logic is a bit skewed---I appreciate the desire for flashy numbers and all but the fact of the matter is that in the current VISION healer dps is a step down from utility dps focus classes---which is as it should be *shrug.

And as for the logical argument about increasing/decreasing dps by maxing out your dps--here you go:

The more dps that is done raidwide, the less major spells and combat arts such as bolt of ice, etc. get diluted by duration. As long as you are fufilling your class primary dps support requirements (keeping folks alive and casting devotion) then you can probably focus on keeping your own dps up too. If you are getting 2-3k from the folks at the bottom of the parse list, that helps the folks at the top of the parse list maximize their dps by shortening the encounters and you end up with those flashy parses folks talk about.

Yesterday

Calain · 04-28-2008, 10:31 AM

Maybe i suck at timing Verdict right, but Verdict does 0 damage on most mobs, cause they will be dead before the 1.5 seconds are over. Esp. if you are able to archive 2k DPS during a raid, cause this means your DPS should reach much higher numbers.

For me Verdict is just one of our spells that are not often worth using; esp. vs trash.

Marvis · 04-29-2008, 05:06 AM

Verdict is very situational. Most of the time it's not useful at all (in raids and against heroics when grouped), but in rare situations it can be very useful. I don't really have an issue with verdict except that it seems to be resisted a whole lot more nowadays (statement without any empirical data whatsoever ;-)).

/Marv