darklumina

As I really love overloaded heals (particularly when its not broken and on my fury), I jumped at the chance to pick up Allied Prayers which is the effect put on the group reactive that will do a group wide heal for roughly 1000-1200 on termination. However, I was disappointed to see that it pretty much accounted for only 1% of my healing and doesn't really offer anything to help me stay at the top of the heal parse. What do you guys think? I am probably going to respec out of it and either put it in our biggest heal at the bottom of the line or try out the 20% increase in inquisition (4x5aa). And while I have your attention, what do you think about the Penance AA. I am already capped at the casting time for that reactive at 1s with the AA and its only fractionally longer without it (maybe 1.17 or 1.2s).

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Grrrrrrrrl

ive tested it and i wasnt too impressed with it 1-2% of my heal parse is kind of bleah better off spending them elsewhere

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Calain

The biggest problem with Allied Prayers is, how it procs: It only procs if all triggers are used up or the time runs out. It does not trigger if you refresh the reactive before one of the above conditions is met. I'm still testing it. Vs singe target mobs without many AEs it is useless, but it is nice while still a bit underpowerd vs groups and mobs with many AEs.
The main reason I have put 5 points into it is 'cause there is nothing better to spec for. I hate DR esp. as I nerver got Jesters while I was speced for it. Inquisition is only so so, esp. if you think about how often it gets resisted. I don't use Arch Recovery often enough, that the 5 points would be usefull there. The enhanced debuffs are not worth it. Shield Effeciveness doesn't help me either 'cause I'm not SA specced and I use a 2handed weapon most of the time and 1hand + symbol almost any other time. This would leave our mitigation buff, that I only use if I'm the only healer in a mage group vs mobs with physical AEs (Ykesha anyone), or our resistance buff / HP buff.

I'll parse it vs Trak tomorrow (who eats reacives like candy) and Ykesha outer sometime in the near future. After this two parces I will decide if I keep it or move on.

the_mo

>I don't use Arch Recovery often enough, that the 5 points would be usefull there.

believe me... once youve spent those 5 points you WILL be using it a lot.

dunno bout alleviation, but thats a worthwhile investment as well (3500 hps in varsoons fire room anyone?) so... after a very short period of testing i dumped this crappy prayers

ma spec:

Hearty Constitution 5/5 - first choice
Swift Strides 5/5 - what else to spec up there? im not having cash issues so no need to spend points in longer food duration. power is as worthless as it gets so... runspeed is a nice feature

Litany of Combat 5/5 - nobrainer
Prayer of Healing 5/5 - nobrainer
Supplication of the Fallen 1/1 - meh its just one point and we figured it was quite handy


Devoted Allegiance 5/5
Blessed Yaulp 5/5 - nobrainer
Devoted Healing 5/5
Overwhelming Arms 5/5 - nobrainer
******** 1/1 - this one totally sucks, doesnt need to be mentioned :o

Fanatical Devotion 5/5- nobrainer
Despotic Healing 5/5 - some kind of healing AA...we havent had that for a long time - awesome
Atonement of Sins 4/5 - nice as well.
Persecution 1/1 - and yea.. kind of a nobrainer, it has its uses
Redemption of Faith 1/1 - has its uses as well, despite the fact crippling your dps... mainly used in MT-group, while solohealing harder zones or mobs or healing undergeared (alt-) tanks

TL/DR: did mainly post this to leave some suggestions to those previous posters who didnt know where to spend their points :o

Phrozen

The way you spec your Shadow tree depends highly on your group/role in the raid.

Currently I am:-

Hearty Constitution 5
Enchanced Mind 5

Litany of Combat 5
Ally Revification 5

Devoted Allegiance 5
Blessed Yalup 5
Overwhelming Arms 5
Sacrifice 1

Vile Recovery 5
Fanatical Devotion 5
Despotic Healing 5
Atonement of Sins 5
Persecution 1
Redemption of Faith 1

Usually I am not in any of the tank groups, since we have 2 Templars.

Calain

My current spec:

Hearty Constitution 5
Enchanced Mind 5

Litany of Combat 5
Prayer of Healing 5

Devoted Allegiance 5
Blessed Yaulp 5
Devoted Healing 5
Allied Prayers 5
Overwhelming Arms 5
Sacrifice 1

Fanatical Devotion 5
Atonement of Sins 5
Persecution 1
Redemption of Faith 1

I'm also usually in a DPS group with a Necro. The only thing I might change is to move 5 points from Allied Prayers to Despotic Healing.

Mastoras

Got almost what u got Calain, only changed a bit:

Hearty Constitution 5 - easy pick
Enchanced Mind 5 - easy pick

Litany of Combat 5 - easy pick, cmon extra dps buff spell
Prayer of Healing 5 - easy pick, main heal

Devoted Allegiance 5 - easy pick - tenacity boost ftw
Devoted Healing 5 - easy pick - use it alot
Overwhelming Arms 5 - easy pick - super duper passive dps proc
Sacrifice 1 - so-so pick havent quite tested, but looks like great oh crap spell

Fanatical Devotion 5 - kinda easy - boost your dps and group, they will love you
Devoted Following 5 - hard pick - i do use it, but how good is the boost
Despotic Healing 5 - easy pick - my main big heal, i want it bigger of course
Atonement of Sins 5 - easy pick - aoe heal must boost
Persecution 1 - easy pick, you do dps sometimes
Redemption of Faith 1 - easy pick, will slap if questioned

So there is my line, the ONLY thing i think of that i would switch is switching devoted following with blessed yaulp. I got devoted for more healing boost, but wondering if yaulp is to good to pass up for that, see what you guys think.

Phrozen

I only found this useful on certain mobs where you tend to be closer quite alot of the time.

Calain

Just as an update I tried Allied Prayers , I parsed it (0-2% on normal fights 4% at Trak while using the group reactive every time it was up) and I respeced to Despotic Healing.

The other thing I though about was out mitigation buff. I know that this sounds strange as it was our most useless buff during ROK, but with all these critical physical AEs and not enough critical mitigation items around currently it would help the mages in my group to survive.
Did anyone try it, yet?

TheOtherDude

It's bugged on live to where it won't trigger if you're casting (or recovering?) when your group reactive runs out of triggers. Aeralik posted that he fixed the Shaman version...can only hope Allied Prayers is fixed as well. I'd jump on test, but I don't have the hard disk space for the test client right now.

We're definitely gonna wanna re-evaluate this if/when it's fixed.