How about some Inquis only AA changes?

pagansaint · 06-18-2007, 06:56 AM

First of all I'd like to say that I'm in favor of all of the changes they are doing to the cleric tree, but while it will increase our DPS output, I also don't like the way the combination of the current EoF Inquisitor AAs and the incoming changes to the cleric tree are pushing Inquisitors further and further into a more Support/DPS Healer role rather than having the same ability, if delivered differently, to be a main tank or solo OT healer for the hardest content.

Triage Line

Enhanced: Emergencies; currently it has a 30s recast reduction per point. What I would like to see instead is either a 1min reduction per point, or a complete removal of this and replacement with Enhanced: Redemption or something different.
Different as in something along the lines of Enhanced: Convert; 5% per point decrease in power cost of convert procs.

Enhanced: Ressurection; currently has a 10% faster casting per point of all ressurections spells. What I would like to see is either a 10% decrease in power used per point or a 10% faster recast per point of all ressurections.

Enhanced: Braveness; currently is a 5% increase per point to the stamina component of the buff. This buff is fine in my eyes, if a bit on the weak side, maybe 8% per point instead.

Enhanced: Fervent Focus; currently is a 3s faster recast per point spent. This is not even worth taking for the amount of recast gained to me. Make this a 12s per point reduction and it will make for a much stronger enhancement and allow it to be used more than sporadically or saved for only if it is really needed.

Enhanced: Redemption; currently is 25s reduction in recast per point. This is fine for what it is, but this far into the triage line I would expect something more beneficial. I advocate swapping this and Enhanced: Emergencies, or complete removal and replacment with something different.

Different as in something along the lines of: Enhanced: Healing; 5% increase per point to all of our direct heals at a non increasing per point 5%-10% increase to power cost for these heals.

And now for the end line ability:

Reach of Faith; currently increases range of the inquisitor by 5. This is one of the weakest end line abilities I could imagine they would concieve of implementing. I would like to see, if nothing else, changing this to being a group wide buff. If possible though, this being scrapped altogether and replaced with a new end line.

Something like: Triage Cleric; All of the Inquisitors heals return a portion of the power spent to the Inquisitor. With the portion being anywhere from 8-12% of the power spent per person the heal affects.

Battle Line:

The only thing that I would ask to be changed is to have Enhanced: Fanaticism fixed. This could be done by making only the abilities gained from the battle line usable when Fanaticism is up with this ability chosen, or by adding 10 points of DPS modifier per point is attached to the standard Fanaticism buffs and the stifle is maintained.

Detriments Line:

Maladroit; as this ability stands, it is completely useless. Maybe change the effect to a reduction in riposte percentage the target has and a percentage decrease in damage the target deals with ripostes. Or alternatively to a reduction, make this ability increase the targets area of effect recast timers by 25%.

Punishments Line:

Punishment; Would like to see the actualy amount that threat is increased to the current target of the mob under punishment and either have that number increased or change the number to an increase in threat position by 1 per trigger of a punishment spell.

Alternatively change this ability to something along the lines of: Inquisition; Per punishment spell that is maintained upon an enemy the Inquisitor gains 5% spell haste. Multiple copies of the same punishment do not add to the spell haste if maintained on more than one enemy.

Mephiston · 06-18-2007, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

rather than having the same ability, if delivered differently, to be a main tank or solo OT healer for the hardest content.

Fury - dps group healing - quick heals, nice buffs for this group, own dps
Warden - MT healer - nice buffs good heals
Defiler - MT healer - great heals and buffs
Mystic - OT healer - great buffs and great heals
Templar - MT+OT healer - great heals good defensive buffs
Inquisitor - dps group healer and capable of OT healing - nice dps buffs fine heals, own dps

its a basic list.
the inquisitor, like the fury is there to support and heal the killers, not the meat shields.

no one healer solo heals a MT group in EoF. Ot well mayb, depends on the encounter. but if they make us good enough to do all these things you wish, why take other healers?

each class is made to fit a raid structure. each healer is slightly different depending on their role int he raid.

its called balance, and prevents certain classes from being cock blocked with raids, or is the idea anyway. if we bcame better healers, wed have to lose some dps, and our role wud change.

Mayi · 06-18-2007, 12:20 PM

WTB Templar so I dont have to be in the OT/MT grp :P

pagansaint · 06-18-2007, 01:35 PM

As it is we can fill the role, but as many other people have remarked upon, why are our AAs so uncomplimentary to being a healer first and foremost. It doesn't make any sense.

What our current AAs say to me, as they are now, that Inquisitors are used for emergency healing and ressing while providing buffs, debuffs and Verdict.

We can do the healing bit, some can provide as much healing as any class can be expected to, but this being pigeon holed into DPS/Support class that can also Heal further and further after every major is kind of getting ridiculous.

I just want the option to be either DPS spec'd or Heal spec'd and have both be viable. As it is, if you aren't DPS spec'd as an Inquisitor, you aren't exactly performing optimally.

But hey, thats just me.

Mephiston · 06-18-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pagansaint

being pigeon holed into DPS/Support class that can also Heal further and further after every major is kind of getting ridiculous.

but.....that IS our role

we buff and dps and spot heal and keep our group going nuts and killing faster.

we ARE a support class.

pagansaint · 06-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Oh I agree that that should be and is our primary role, I just don't like the slapped in the face feeling I get when I look at the end line of our Triage Line, Reach of Faith. It makes me aggravated as you can probably tell.

I guess I just don't see why Inquisitors don't have the option to gain even a slight increase in healing power through AA spec, while maintaining the buffs and DPS. The gap between clerics in healing power is wider now than it has ever been, look at the set armor bonuses, and I don't see that gap closing, even by a little bit with the Inquisitor only healing oriented AA line sucking out loud.

Crozs · 06-19-2007, 06:52 PM

to be honest. with as much utility as we have im fine with my healing ability. with TC i dont have a problem with healing in a raid.
in groups it can get a little hairy with our long casting timers but i can still pull out solo healing a decent plate tank in just about any zone in game.

sure, we have become the pally of pre lu14. and is that bad? if you remember they got nerfed for that reason.

i dont much mind the nerf to our dps because i dont play a inquis to try and top the dps chart. i play one to do as i tell my group members "My job is to make you look good" ofcourse i would love to get a boost in my healing or anything else i could but thats just because im greedy. but thats not going to happen. we pretty much have the best dps of any healer class hands down.

i know this nerf pisses some of you off. some of you dedicated solo players and for those of you i say go roll a pally. ive had to watch this on my server already. inquis bitching and moaning becuase they dont think they will be able to solo a ^^^ even con or higher anymore after this LU.

and pagan if you think all we are for is to offer emergency heals and provide ress, buffs and debuffs. first you need to kick your dirges in the nuts and tell them to wake the fuck up, second kick your pally there too and tell them to wake up. healers should not be having to res in a raid unless it was a wipe and your resing to buff up and go again. our res take too much power to be using them in a raid. only exception is if your MT drops and you need to get him up quick and with no sickness as your OT holds the mob till the MT is rebuffed.
and as for the buffs and debuffs comment.... what else are you wanting. you want to have buffs, debuffs (which we have some of the best in the game except for the rogue class, hands down the best of the healer classes) heals AND be top on the dps chart? hell, why not have 24 inquis in raid and you would be able to clear any zone in the game.

and for those of you that want to complain about the gap in healing between a templar and a inquis... fill me in on what super secret healing a templar has that we dont? we all have the exact same heals. 2 single direct heals, single reactive, group reactive and group direct heal.... sure our heals are a little less than a templar, but for what we offer in the ways of utility a templar cant even get close to that. and those that want to bitch that we wont be able to dps like we use to.... go play a templar. their dps is half ass at best. i played a templar and betrayed to inquis so dont tell me they have some super healing ability we dont.

bottom line is we were not made to be prime uber healers. we are support healers. plain and simple.

pagansaint · 06-19-2007, 07:50 PM

The point wasn't that I am unhappy with the class, honestly of all the classes I've played I like Inquisiotr the best.

I just am tired of having an AA path that is completely lackluster and nothing that enhances our primary job, Healing.

Metran · 06-20-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Crozs

sure, we have become the pally of pre lu14. and is that bad? if you remember they got nerfed for that reason

And I rolled an inquisitor not a crusader pre-lu13 for a reason, not to play a crusader

Sorry it had to be said lol.

Ok back on topic, here is my biggest beef. Too many people complain that they don't want to be pigeon-holed into the STA/INT spec of the Cleric tree. Yet we are faced with the exact same scenario in Inquisitor AA choices. Really, Triage sucks, Maladroit is useless, Punishments I guess its good so long as you don't know any shaman /shrug.

I truly think our Inquisitor AAs need to be reworked, so far as the OP and what is proposed, some interesting ideas.

I like the rework of triage, but I think it would need to be focused around convert instead. IE a power reduction cost on convert procs.

Maladroit I agree has to be a more useful debuff then it is today. Messing with AE timers can be problematic, How about a reduction in AE range.

Battle cleric, I agree the line is solid with the exception of fanatacism.

Punishments, I really like your spell haste idea, but instead of what you have, how about 10% spell haste on hostile. Beneficial remain the same. Not sure if that can be coded, but sounds more punishment like to me

That is all I have for now, but really like that we're discussing something other than which KOS build to go with.