Spell Consolidation - Page 2

Eteef · 08-15-2007, 08:46 AM

I don`t see much room for consolidating our spells without fucking us up in points of flexibility and I don`t even want to start about dumbing down to be playable by braindeads ...

Let`s start with the basics:
Merging Cures? Would be pointless on any healer class.
Some effect occurs ...omg I press one damn button and it`s countered and I don`t even need to think about which of those effects is worth more curing first. Reminds me of some stupid as heck retarded games I played back when I was 4 years old.

Merging some of our Heals? I can`t see the benefit.
Upgrading reactives with a heals on expiration and so on are fundamental changes I`m sure won`t come and I don`t either want to lose my group heal for such functionality.

So it`s all down to a minority of our spells that are even worth merging without kicking us completely in our face:
Merging Pious with Fanatics would be nice if it was for one and not two conc slots. Taking away flexibility from us is always bad. More then often do I run with 4 or 5 Consecrated as many of us do and fill the empty conc slot depending on the situation. Combining those 2 buffs for a cost of 1 concentration would be a nice upgrade.
Act of Conviction could stay alone but there`s the idea of merging it with a groupwide consecrated aura for the cost of 3 or 4 conc

(would kill most of the buffing time)

Forced Obedience is encounterwide and should stay alone or merge it with an encounterwide Convict.
Debase + Convict is fine for me as long as I am still able to debuff more than one target with convict at a time.

Affliction + Absolving Flames would make sense, but takes away chances for procs. The melee way could stay the more flexible with those still as 2 attacks on their own. If it`s that way round I don`t really care.
Ruthless + Litany ... no way, one`s single target, the other encounterwide and it would be even more bad merging the melee styles of those two, because there are situations you need everything but heck no open AE to fuck everything up.
Vengeance + Compelled I don`t care for. Can`t remember when those 2 did what they should do all the time and where really worth power/casting-time ... that tool is broken.

Seems I`m not that happy about SOE merging anything on us

On most classes to only think of merging abilities is like opening Pandora's Box.

Avirodar · 08-16-2007, 08:04 PM

Spell consolidation is an idea I am not fond of, at all. Apparantly SOE is doing it because they want to reduce the number of hotbars we need to use, and make things "simpler".

I would much rather see a change go in that would allow us to not only have hotbars 1 to 10, but more like hotbars 1 to 30.

It is not because I have 5 million trivial spells, that I have 7 hotbars open. It is because I have item clickies on hotbars, along with macros, equipment changes, mana clickies and a whole bunch of utility stuff... Consolidating a couple of spells would not do a darn thing except either nerf or dumb down an already pretty simple class.

To demonstrate, on a basic level, if I wanted to minimise hotbar usage... (as examples)

Needed - Hotbar #1 = all heals, fanaticism, verdict.
Needed - Hotbar #2 = cures and debuffs
Needed - Hotbar #3 = Nukes and CA's

Thats all we need up for general combat/exping/group instancing. It is not hard to quickly switch a hotbar for buffs or a rez.

Just for fluff - Hotbar #4 = equip changes + buffs
Just for fluff - Hotbar #5 = equip changes + buffs + low level nukes
Just for fluff - Hotbar #5 = equip changes + clickie consumables
Just for fluff - Hotbar #7 = buffs, rez, root and fear.

So there you see, I have 4 hotbars open because I simply WANT them open, I don't need them. The extra 4 allow me to enjoy the added on-demand utility. Merging/consolidating any of our attacks will only reduce our options, and barely poke at what is the MINOR cause of so many hotbars being on my screen. Merging our buffs? Yeah that is going to solve nothing.

Spell consolidation is a silly idea, that I am dead against. I want more options, not less. I want a bigger challenge to be at the top of my game, not less.

Avirodar · 08-16-2007, 10:27 PM

Yay for typos. The 2nd "Hotbar #5" should be #6.

Chanah · 09-17-2007, 09:59 AM

So i've had a little peak in beta and they are gonna combine our spells, they even changed the graphics a little :\

This is gonne be the new UI:

Steeltoed · 09-19-2007, 05:43 PM

Well at least you have a 20% chance of closing your eyes and clicking the right button. /shrug

Leorra · 09-20-2007, 07:41 PM

They are doing spell consolidation because in RoK they will be changing the spell gap from 14 to 10 which means we will get a new version of every spel in t8 they are asking about the consolidation because they dont wanna give us like 4-5 spells a lvl. Just asking me what spells I would like consolidated made my fucking head hurt because this sounds like another classic SoE clusterfuck. I, personally dont beleive they have the intelectual ability to do this without dmbing down the game or breaking it outright. Pls dont consolidate spells just give us 4-5 a lvl ........as someone said earlier this IS pandora's box dont fucking open it.

Leorra · 09-20-2007, 07:49 PM

Oh yah I forgot you will be getting a new version of everyspell that isnt percentage based which includes most of our anceints(all). so maybe 5-6 new spells a lvl.

Catseyes · 10-08-2007, 05:00 AM

i see the new concept as this :

button one : mobspells => autoattack,nukes,debuffs,reactives dmg
button two : myspells => heals,cures ,buffs (if dispelled,recast auto)
button three : myrezz => autotarget bodys,autosend tells ,cast rezz +heals

that will let us play LoN during raids as our toons will do all the work alone this way.

With the beautiful chanah's UI mod ofcourse.

Joshisgreat · 11-08-2007, 02:22 AM

Wow this topic scares me so much, I use 10 hotbars and I like it, if I could I would probably use about 12. Holy shit puhliiiiiiz do not combine any of our spells or attacks or well, ANYTHING. If they combine anything I would say that shitfuck buff Pious and Fanatic's Faith, then I might use it, but still probably not. Anyone hear if Fanat/Conc Aura is being upgraded?

Joshisgreat · 11-08-2007, 02:25 AM

Yeah, so, I necro posted, lol, oh well.