Karah02

Since scouts use one-handers instead of dw weapons I was just wondering if anyone knew if you still got the best damage if you put the weapon with the highest dmg rating in your primary hand slot or if it matters. Will both weapons hit the same amount of times now or does the Primary hand still hit more often than the second handed weapon? Probably a noob question but i'm new to being a scout

Drakhammor

coulda looked this up, but the summary (since DW changes):
DW weapons get switched to 1-handers. These are marked as 1-hand, Main-hand, or Off-hand (Main-hand and off-hand likely used sparingly for extraordinarily powerful weapons. I do not know of any off the top of my head).
Pre-DW-change 1h weapons are neither penalized nor bolstered.
DW weapons that are "upgraded" to 1-handers get a damage increase, HOWEVER the base-delay remains the same (resulting in essentially, an increased damage rating).
Any 1h weapon that is wielded by itself now, suffers no penalties.
Any 2x 1h weapons wielded concurrently EACH suffer a 33% delay penalty. (resulting in slower swings for each weapon)
Each hand swings independently of the other. 2 different delay weapons = 2 differently-timed swings, each at the 33% delay penalty.
DPS works out to roughly the same (DW'ing vs. double-attack AA's), actual #'s likely depend on weapon choices available, and preferences likely to change as different weapons become available.

Jikko

You didn't answer his question at all, although I'm not entirely sure of the answer either since my only toon that can DW is a brigand and she's used the WIS line her entire life.

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Hoss

Well, the answer to his question is that it was never the case, to the best of my knowledge, that you got the best damage out of putting the weapon with the highest DR in the main hand. Nor was it ever the case that the main hand swung more often than the offhand. Drak did answer those questions, but it was at the end of the post, so maybe you got bored and stopped reading or something.

-h

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Karah02

Thanks for the responses guys that helped . Now I just need to go find some better weapons. (oh and i'm not a he, i'm a she.. just btw :P)

Thanks

juzam

Well, when you are DW, only the main hand procs items or buffs on you. From that point, you want the best weapon for procs on the main hand (normally higher delay). But you should try to have the same delay on both weapons to coordinate swings better.

Orochan

Ok, no offense but DR means absolute shit for weapons.

You want the highest delay in your main hand.

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timmeh

DR does mean something. If you get a weapon with a 20DR and a 10,000 delay your dps is going to suck, and suck badly.

You want a weapon with all these characteristics:
1.) Large damage spread. (for crits)
2.) Large delay. (for procs & auto-attack maximizing). Note with a large delay you also want HASTE.
3.) High DR (damage)

The first two are the most important, but the third is still important.

For a detailed analysis post GU38 check the Swashbuckler forums. I believe Snarks wrote something up there based on test data.

Edit : not sure if this is updated for GU38. The link is http://www.eq2flames.com/swashbuckle...r-changes.html

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Drakhammor

and yeah, as far as not answering his question directly, s'pose a yes or no WOULD have sufficed, but the fact remains (as stated) DR means diddly shit, and I figure for our OP's edification I would post to be more informative.
Damage from AA comes down strictly to a matter of: What weapon do you have available? And situationally, how is your group setup looking. And good link timmeh, good info in that post.

edit: and yeah, it can be argued that DR CAN mean something. In a world with no haste and no +DPS mods, or +crit for that matter, DR WOULD matter. BUT, DR is a metric, a guide-line. Theoretically, with no haste, crit, or +DPS; a 100DR weap with 1.0 delay would parse same as a 100DR weapon with 3.0 delay, 4.0 delay, etc (just that the damage RANGE would be higher on the longer-delay weapon, leading to LARGER, but slower hits). Now, when you start adding those other factors in, THAT'S when finding the sweet-spot for YOUR characters most-beneficial delay comes into play.

Orochan

Except for the fact that your weapon doesn't even exist...

Like I said in the swashbuckler forums and in my previous post, DR means absolute shit for weapons.

A good example is gdoh which has a very shitty DR compared to some other weapons, yet still beats out about 90% of those said weapons.

Do you even know what DR means?

It's a direct calculation of that weapons damage WITHOUT ANY outside influence.

So if you take two weapons one has a 4 sec delay with a DR of 60, other has a 1.6 delay with a DR of 75.

Now if you just measure STRAIGHT auto attack with no outside influence at all then of course the higher DR weapon will win.

But wait...when do you ever just auto attack with no outside influence at all? Oh thats right never lolz. That's why DR means absolute shit for weapons. It doesn't take into account CA spamming ( or CA timing), procs, haste, dps, buffs, stats, any outside influence.

In a real live test it's not only pointless to consider DR into your calculations, it just flat out retarded, unless you plan on soloing/grouping/raiding using only auto attack with nothing to help you at all.

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