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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wopper View Post
    Well. I've checked...oh probably 75 percent of the faction merchants and there are NO items of armor being sold geared towards plate healers that are as good as the stuff being found for free off of mobs.
    You admit yourself that you did a half-assed job then come on here as if you know the whole situation. I think you should check again. There is a set of plate, chain and leather. Go to KJ for starters.

    reguardless of the fact that Plate healers are required to pay 6 or more plat for our gear where the other pay nothing, there is still the problem of getting faction, these two issues are only there now because someone made a bad descision adn is trying to fix it.... poorly.
    In the first part of your post you said there was no items for plate yet you turn around and state that you are required to pay for nothing? And let me say WOW six whole plat! Just by doing the quests while earning faction with those groups you will earn much more than that. The factions themselves are not difficult. You can easily get a faction to max with a little work.

    So far they haven't done anything to fix it and it seems when they DO fix it we plate healers will have a HUGE job of getting cash and faction to buy stuff that other healer classes get for free with NO faction.
    What would you do besides quest or grind faction? Do instances? Well if that is the case then you will more than likely get better gear from those than you would otherwise. So I fail to see the issue.

    Yeah, that sounds nice....

    Seems your sugar and sweet approach failed miserably

    Now its time to get the message to his boss

    Wopper
    One last thing to consider. "IF" they had plate healer armor to start off with as rewards for doing the faction quests you will still end up doing them correct? So what is the difference between doing the quests, getting the rewards and selling them only to receive your true reward at the end and still come out with more plat than you started with vs getting the items along the way?

    The answer is there is no difference in the end. This just gives you reason to bitch and moan and try to glorify yourself and become a martyr. People cried, Fyreflyte listened, shit got fixed and in the end it still is not enough. Unless you are handed your shit on a silver plater with no work involved you aren't happy.

    Luckly, I don't work for SoE so I can tell you what they are thinking.
    "Take your armor and shove it up your asses you greedy little fucks!"

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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aela View Post
    Course, realize most of it procs on "heals" and "damage spells" do wards count as "heals"? I don't cast many heals or damage "spells" (My damage is all CA now). I haven't equipted any of this leather (as none of it has been an upgrade) so I don't know if wards proc it on this specific new type of gear.

    That said, even if wards do proc it.. If they are going to make all healers use leather b/c of furys/wardens.. why don't all tanks use leather too, since monks wear only leather.

    Sorry some people can't see how much of a huge copout this is on itemization. I know our INT casters and scouts (not bard), and druids giggle every 2nd quest as they see repeatedly better and better items for their class. I guess gg on 1/3 of the itemization.
    yes wards are "healing spells" no CAs are not "spell damage" nor "hostile spell." All of this proc on healing gear is actually pretty fucking hot for shamans because of casting times- save the fact that its leather. I've actually managed to squeeze out most of the leather I have equipped with equivalent chain. As it stands I have leather in my shoulder slot, boots, and forearms, everything else is chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionidas View Post
    You admit yourself that you did a half-assed job then come on here as if you know the whole situation. I think you should check again. There is a set of plate, chain and leather. Go to KJ for starters.

    First, that post was Pre gu 41, And since then I have checked all the Faction merchant I could And yes they do have some plate items Called Battlepriest armer. Same exact stuff the leather chain wearer got but plate.



    In the first part of your post you said there was no items for plate yet you turn around and state that you are required to pay for nothing? And let me say WOW six whole plat! Just by doing the quests while earning faction with those groups you will earn much more than that. The factions themselves are not difficult. You can easily get a faction to max with a little work.

    Again, that was posted Pre GU 41, And 6 plat is the lower end. 9 plat is the upper end. I don't know about you, but I don't think its fair that plate healers should pay 6-9 plat each for gear we should have been able to get thru quests, To get a full set would put a seriuos dent in the cash I gained with the new expansion .. for what? someones mistake?



    What would you do besides quest or grind faction? Do instances? Well if that is the case then you will more than likely get better gear from those than you would otherwise. So I fail to see the issue.

    I agree, I will do the quests for faction anyway But again. we shouldn't have had to do it!



    One last thing to consider. "IF" they had plate healer armor to start off with as rewards for doing the faction quests you will still end up doing them correct? So what is the difference between doing the quests, getting the rewards and selling them only to receive your true reward at the end and still come out with more plat than you started with vs getting the items along the way?


    Well, for one thing you only get 7 gold for most of the items we sold. thats hell of a difference from 9 plat. thats on average about 100 non usable quest items that have to be sold to equal the cost of ONE item we can puchase!

    The answer is there is no difference in the end. This just gives you reason to bitch and moan and try to glorify yourself and become a martyr. People cried, Fyreflyte listened, shit got fixed and in the end it still is not enough. Unless you are handed your shit on a silver plater with no work involved you aren't happy.


    Some programmer does a piss poor job to start and then does a piss poor job to fix it and you wonder why we complain? COME ON! We just want Equal treatment, We arent asking for any more than what everyone else got. sheesh. Get a grip on reality.

    Luckly, I don't work for SoE so I can tell you what they are thinking.
    "Take your armor and shove it up your asses you greedy little fucks!"
    And may I say... I'd like to take my new armor and shove it up yer ass... Fanboy!


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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    I am a lvl 80 templar and a pretty serious quester - have completed basically all quests in Kylong, Fens, Kunzar and Jarsath, and have done most but not all of the instances; several of the easier ones I have done dozens of times. I am in the top tier of questers on my server.

    I am pretty familiar with the gear that is out there, both pre-ROK and post-ROK. Given the retarded plate healer gear situation I have in fact kept ALL my quest reward gear from ROK.

    I have full faction basically everywhere and know what is out there from faction merchants. I have yet to see a single plate healer set piece drop. Apart from occasional earrings and doodads, plate healers will see no gear - NOTHING - suitable for a plate healer until they hit the upper 70s, and even then, the pickings are at best extremely slim.

    Looking over the gear, there is a very serious problem here. I basically have to carry two sets of gear with me everywhere now - one set for raiding, and a different one for soloing. And neither of them real plate healer gear.

    To solo effectively now - and ROK is obviously designed for solo questing - I basically wear gear that is more suitable for fighters and scouts - plate gear with STR, AGI and INT, and procs like +melee crit, +dps, +attack speed, and +double attack.

    As a result, I either have to perpetually defer accepting appropriate gear until every tank/scout in group is fully equipped, or risk getting violently cursed out (as happened to me tonight) by people who don't understand the bizarre current plate healer gear situation. People who are not playing a plate healer in ROK understandably have no idea why a HEALER would want or need gear with those stats/procs.

    But everytime I get cussed out I want to kick the dev who put me in this shitty situation. I've been playing a templar since the first week of EQ2's launch, and I've put up with some of the handicaps and annoyances that come with playing this tedious class, and now it seems like it's all been for nothing. It's just a huge pain in the ass, and for what? All my work now is just trying to figure out how to circumvent the various gimps that have progressively been put on this class, the latest and most crushing by a dev who has obviously never played a plate healer. Maybe there are people who think that hacking away at a mob for three times as long as any other comparable class is fun. Maybe there are people who think that casting spells like you're stuck in molasses is a hoot. Those things used to be offset by decent gear. Now all they're offset by is the joy of pissing everyone else off for taking gear that clearly should go to other classes, when in fact we have no decent options for soloing beyond gearing up to approximate a crappy fighter or a crappy caster.

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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    please add plate healer armor to the t8 raid pools. thx. i am not a druid!
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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    All you plate and chain healers sound like a bunch of rangers!

    /burn

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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    have to agree with the plate/chain healers here on this 1 have a temp myself and aside from spotty plate gear that is somewhat ok but not major improvements for my guard i have yet to see decent plate gear for my templar....

    For those few runing trap against those of us who only ask that what should have been in game be put in game post haste, all I can say is gent bent unless u would like to wear say cloth armor with "kickin" healer stats for ur druids....b/c thats what this argument boils down to plain and simple.

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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    How much of this leather gear that healers are seeing is treasured and quest reward shit? and gear from 70-77? i find it great to see people crying about no upgrades in the first 3/4 of a new tier, and the ones that look best are not your particular armor type... the loot is out there. you just have to go kill shit for it. until the entire loot tables are discovered there's no way to say that you got bent over in terms of itemization, esp when a lot of the lack for your particular class lies in treasured and quest legendary drops. the drops that make up +/-85% of all the loot out there. if you're gonna be wearing treasured armors then you probably won't need the extra mit anyway, you'll be running karnors and sebilis over and over with 5 bots. i could say 'ZOMGWTF wtb brawler gear i got fucked' but it wouldn't do me any good. would i wear cloth? no. somebody would tell me to go kill shit and see what's out there for each slot before i opened my little mouth.

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    Default Re: Quotes from fyreflyte re: itemization in ROK.. whats going on?

    we kill all the shitz and besides set drops and 2-3 pieces, everything is leather shit. ask your local cleric/plat tank.

    fix loots. thx.
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