Illuminator

We don't send our troops to war unarmed, with the hope that they'll find guns and ammo along the way in enemy territory. Or do we?

But that analogy is too fucking deep for some people, so I'll put it this way:

Is gear the means or the end?

So, why would I ask this question when just about everyone already has their own answer to it? Because we should ALWAYS ask ourselves this question. If gear is just the means, then it isn't as controversial to get good gear upfront.

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Fidelus

There are many decent legendary and fabled items easily obtained now. This is good, as long as the raid loot is better. The tag means little to nothing IMO, and if having okay lewt with a fabled tag makes some casual players happy who cares?

This is nothing new...in DoF you could get fabled gear from heroic instances as well. It wasn't endgame gear, but it was decent, and people did those zones every friggin day, which is a good thing. You could in t5 as well lol but it was all pretty junky.

Loot design for this xpac needs to be praised if anything. If the progression of itemization proves to be borked later that is another story.

Also Charsis and Chelsith are going to be pretty difficult for casual pick-up groups. So loot in there should be good. Who cares if some noobs get some gear?

Mendanbar

You're retarded.

Illuminator

You're a peon.

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Mendanbar

I was going to add something to that previous post, but I had to leave it as is for effort. Seriously though, that's just stupid. You shouldn't give out inflated gear to prepare people for inflated raids, you let them work to get to the tier that they'd need to do the raids, why cause the dps and hp inflation on mobs to skyrocket even faster?

I'd in general agree with the "why flag it that way" mentality... fabled should be for raiding, or at the very least for something that took a bit of effort... a lot of faction grinding, which leads to a quest line, which may be a decent length quest line like the Tunare line in EoF... signature quests could give fabled.

You should do some work to get the tag, period.

Mendanbar

I know my class, know how to do dps, and don't blow retarded off the wall statements out of my ass. I can't say the same for you. Got anything else?

Illuminator

A fairly run-of-the-mill blanket peon statement. Good for you son.

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Mendanbar

Hey, here's a thought, chief, keep going back to fielding easy questions so you can convince a handful of newbies that you know your ass from your elbow. No one else who knows anything about anything believes it though, that's why you're universally made fun of.

Hugs and Kisses,
Sincerely,
Mendanbar - I, Swashbuckler.

SageGaspar

I think it's fine getting good gear off instances, but then again my last couple mage characters have had some of the best shit in the game before they left the instances :P

Long as they can fix it up so raid shit kicks ass there won't be a problem.

As far as the nice fabled weapon, I would imagine that everyone is supposed to be lusting over the epic. So I don't know what the shelf life on that will be. I was thinking that weapon itemization would be a little wonky with the epic weapons coming up.

Illuminator

So Mendanbar decides he's ready for a hardcore raid guild, then someone whispers in his ear that all he has to do is call Illuminator retarded and he's in.

Tell me who it was, boy, don't be hidin' secrets from yo' pa!

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