Drodin

Yea its lame that the bulk of the good stuff doesn't come from raiding but at least its there, so just shut it. When you can get 40+ spell crit, max BoE, 2 procs for over 600 dmg each, and shitloads of the stats you need - all that as a minimum from ROK loot - then you are making out pretty damn well in comparison to the majority of the classes. You'll get no sympathy from me.
Once other classes get the same level of itemization as mages, then you can bitch about placement all you want.

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Pinski

Ahh, you're crying because you think that people are happy with the fact that mage itemization isn't done right and because your class is fucked it's obviously because of the mage loot. Hi, you're a moron. People who cry because their class isn't done right and so that means nobody else's class should be done right are just as bad as those who think because there's this sweet bug in an ability that causes it to work not as intended I shouldn't post about it! Seriously, you're dumb. If you have a problem with your class then bitch about it, don't go around acting like oh because your class's itemization is so bad it means everybody else's should too.

Yes we all know that previous tier arrows are causing the problem with Rangers. We know that, that's great. But why don't you go to your own thread about the problem, and let's focus on the fact that Mage itemization does not scale AT ALL. Then again, nor does most of any classes. Here's a fact, raid itemization is horribly done, yet again. It looks like they did Set Gear first, then the rest of the items, then they had other people who seemed to know what to do with itemization do solo/heroic quests and itemize them properly.

Still, either way, raid itemization is horribly broken and it's fucking dumb. This is not the first expansion, not the second expansion, not even the third expansion that this has happened. This is the 4th expansion it has happened and that I'm pretty certain something will happen to the items. Which is just fucking dumb. Please learn how to itemize raid content properly, kind of like those who did the solo/heroic quests did! If these are the same people doing both, then I don't know what the fuck you were thinking what you did it, because you're as dumb as this ranger acting like it's okay because my class is fucked that means your class should get piss poor itemization.

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keldo

Itemization in this expansion is very strange, it is obvious to me that they itemized from the top down, raid loot first, then designed everything else.

But, something happened along the way during itemization. Something like + spell damage, or making new effects suddenly became a lot easier to do, and they just went nuts with it.

And then, unfortunatly, they never went back and redesigned the raid loot which was already finished. At least that is how it looks to me.

I think raid loot needs a complete overhaul to be in line with heroic/legendary top end instanced gear. Right now the top end instance/quested single group gear is very good, and desireable for a casual gamer or even a casual raider. Raid loot, on the other hand, leaves a lot to be desired. The solution is not to nerf everything so all the items suck, but to upgrade raid loot. Nerfing instanced and heroic gear after the expansion has been released for a month will kill the fanbase, it's bad enough they had to nerf treasured gear from quests (poor foresight) if they nerf all the endgame heroic instanced gear, the casual and core players are going to cancel.

Drodin

I'm not saying mage itemization should be fucked, and fuck you for implying that. I said mages have it better off than most people (raid loot or not), thats all. In the overall fucked-ness of everyones itemization, the issue of placement doesn't count for anything - cause everyone has the same problem. So looking at the items available anywhere, mages are doing good for themselves. Thats all I was saying and if you are gonna deny that...then you would be the dumb one.

Raid itemization should be improved, (and if its done right that could fix the fucked class issue at the same time and that would be swell) but when this issue is addressed as a mage only problem, thats where I say WTF. If they are going to fix this issue, they just need to do it for everyone.

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Pinski

The person was talking about his class, and well, mages have no loot from raid zones. Should he start talking about scout items he has no clue about? No, he shouldn't. He should stick to the class he knows about. If you weren't so thick-headed, you would have said, scouts have it the same way, and especially Rangers. Instead you went ahead with the oh but your solo/group itemization is so good card, which makes you look like a dumbass.

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Malachani

I'm sorry, but saying that just because items have alot of +spell dmg means its good just shows how little you know about mage itemization. I'm actually taking OFF +spell damage because I'm way the hell over it. I'm still wearing a T6 hat, because the other options I've gotten through quests were all +spell dmg. I could shit +spell damage and still have too much!

The +crits are ok, I'm replacing alot of my +dmg with +crits, but there will come a point that it gets tired too. I miss procs. They were FUN. Now everything is so calculated and "cold" and its just... boring.

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Drodin

Whatever, Rangers don't have it the same way, which is why I didn't say that. Even our solo/group itemization is crap. With you being a mage and all I don't expect you to get it, so fuck it, gl on fixing your loot problems, just saying everyone else has them too -and I guess that makes me retarded.

Thats kinda the point I was getting at. I didn't say +spell damage was the bee's knees, but being at cap so easily is a luxury not matched by +CA damage.

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Pinski

You're still dumb. You started it with saying oh because your solo/heroic loot is so great who cares about how bad your raid loot is. That was the way you approached it. I responded to that approach. Rangers have 2 major itemization problems. #1 is arrows. #2 is the fact they get shafted in comparison to melee DA/Crit.


Lemme talk to Rogues about their +CA Damage, oh wait, they're at the cap. Sooo, yah. Nice work on saying it's not very easy to cap +CA Damage for all classes. Did you know, it's hard as fuck for Sorcs for capping +Spell Damage just like Predators? Oh, yah.....

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Drodin

I really don't give a fuck about how bad your raid loot is tbh, because you aren't special in that regard. Everyone's is bad, and I hope everyone's gets fixed. But in the mean time solo/group loot is really the only valid argument at this point about itemization, and mages dont have much to complain about. *At least thats how it seems to this non-mage

You also forgot #3 STR is missing on a majority of the items at are halfway decent and #4 still a lot of melee only procs on things there shouldn't be.

and good for rogues that can find gear with enough +CA dmg worth using, I sure haven't seen any [gear], so that might as well be #5. (unless you mean the coif of the reet knight, chalk that up to #4)

+spell damage is still a lot more common so there are a lot more options hence the luxury, and there is no way a ranger will be as close to a sorc in terms of +damage gear, not that we need to be, but YOU get better at missing the point (367/400)

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