Slippery

Imagine that, some of the items that are the best are going to be from earlier in the expansion. Guess what, there are 24 classes, all with different needs, all trying to fill 21 slots with equipment. If you had an upgrade in every single tier of raiding you would never get any equipment at all, the loot tables would be fucking gigantic. With so much loot you'd end up back in t5 with ft on everything. I'm sorry avatars don't have 100+ item loot tables so that every person can get every single item they have upgraded. Yep, imagine that huge loot table, you are going to get that item when?

I could sit here and pick apart your list pointing out how you skipped other options for slots, like power proc shoulders, power proc hat, power proc weapon, but it really serves no point. Every item is not going to see an upgrade in every raid zone, ESPECIALLY when their is class specific loot filling up a large portion of the loot table. Again, let me know when you want 100+ item loot tables so that you can never ever get an item and we can talk about their being an upgrade to everything everywhere.

Edit: Not everything always has to be an upgrade, sometimes things are simply going to be an option. You may not want to recognize the point, but their are needs for different types of gear that serve different purposes. Because it doesn't seem like a valid alternative to you does not mean it isn't to someone else. Different situations require different gear.

Illuminator

Or why non-raiders and non-contested raiders didn't whine when T7 avatars were dropping god mode loot? Small world.

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Vainamoinen

Just a question or three (the 1st one being rhetorical):

Has VP not been cleared?

Apparently the gear dropped up to and including that point is sufficiently powered enough to overcome the obstacles currently in-game. Does that mean the gear upgrades/options are merely cosmetic? Little tweaks here and there to satisfy the min-max fetish/anal retentiveness?

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Slippery

The gear from T7 was sufficient to clear VP, because the game mechanics are fucked up and don't allow for progression does not mean their should not be itemization. The 2 issues are completely seperate.

And no, the current gear is not enough to clear all content in game as is, because trakanon and tangrin live on.

Vainamoinen

"Completely"? No.

How many pulls on each? You're all equipped with all of the possible RoK gear already?

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Valaraukar

didn't they say trak was meant to only be killable when epics come out? i think i read that somewhere...

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Slippery

Yes, the two are completely seperate issues. Because game mechanics are screwed does not mean their should not be itemization. The two do not relate. Having never even been in VP you have no basis to debate this matter. With broken game mechanics you can clear VP in T7 gear, so are you trying to say that there should be no new gear period? That is the only way you could argue the 2 relate. The diminishing returns system has fucked up any hope of real progression aside from getting one shot, this does not mean itemization should be ignored. I can't possibly pound this point into your head anymore, the 2 issues do not relate. When you have a real argument other than just no, you can come talk to me.


They are not killable under the current game mechanics with the current gear in game in their current state. Let me know when in 3 months you've maybe pulled trakanon and can say otherwise.

And they said VP wasn't supposed to be cleared till you had mostly t8 fabled and where mostly mastered, yet we cleared it first run through after only doing the other zones once. Funny how that works.

pagansaint

This is less an issue with a broken game mechanic as it is an issue with the developers behind the content seriously under estimating the abilities and lengths the top guilds will go to to kill shit.

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Vainamoinen

Yeah, play the "you don't have an EQ2 life" card.

What I'm saying is that, if the gear available allows you to clear all the way thru to VP - whether it is T7 or otherwise - then there is nothing wrong with itemization. If the gear allows you to progress, then it is doing its job.

The fact that you can clear VP with T7 gear is, as pagansaint has said, more an issue with developers not raising the bar high enough for the high-end guilds. Yes, diminishing returns pose a problem, but there are ways around that as far as the devs are concerned.

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Slippery

So you can just keep on ignoring the fact that because one thing is broken doesn't mean another shouldn't be fixed, as well as the fact that not all mobs this expansion are dead so you can't play the you've killed it all you don't need gear card either. Next excuse as to why we shouldn't have good itemization? Why don't you look at the gear you got solo questing with no risk at all and then go look at the entire vp loot table and tell me most of the gear in their doesn't need to be changed.

Even if you want to try to say you can already kill it itemization doesn't need to be improved, that is a false statement. Once you are killing the content and getting the gear the gear should make clearing that content a lot easier, with the state of things as they are this is not even remotely the case. The gear is so bad that you don't even want to wear it, let alone have it make the content easier. The difficulty there is (and is retarded rng, not difficulty, but there are other threads for that) is having your tank get one shot. You can clear VP every 5 days for the next year, your tank is not going to stop getting one shot even if he had every single slot filled with a piece of gear from VP. So even on the basis that you are trying to say the two are related (which they aren't), itemization still needs to be improved.