Tbiggs

Thier Fabled rewards, but thier stats are more like legendaries.

In fact, I have treasured loot thats better then the rewards that those items give. I'd name it, but i don't want it nerfed :P

Yes. I know that the various rings are +75 to whatever. But you can easily get similar or better treasured items.

Just a thought - Perhaps having them dropped to Legendary rewards with out losing any of thier stats, or give them a bit of buffage to make them true fableds
Personally - I'd toss 5 to 10 power regen/health regen on them, Before i'd even consider replacing my current gear with said items..
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Fomka

I will tell you a secret - some loot from solo content is better than even raid gear from VP!
and yes it's just you.

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Tbiggs

I've seen some of the vp raid gear dropped. I'd wear it in a minute :P

Meh. I want this..
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Kizee

Itemization in this expansion is totally fucked.

Apollodon

its because all should wear cloth because all can

and there's no reason to wear anything else, unless tanking

Choadley

You need to look at more of it then, because a high percentage of it is useless to those raiding it.

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dakkota

*same tireless rebuttle stating that groupable and quest rewards in some instances have always been better or comparable than top teir loot, as high as avatars, in worthyness going as far back as KoS*

Why the fuck wern't people whining when they realized they released Avatars in T7 and the mage belt wasn't even better than the BCG. Why the fuck wern't people bitching when they dropped raid earrings only to leave the treasured mystical orb on. Or did you retards pay enough attn in EoF? Where is the thread whining about how the Fabled cloak from 1st floor in EH with +50 BoE isn't as good as the Legendary Sol Ro cloak with +65 BoE. You guys cry way too fucking much, nothing has changed.

Fomka

wow, I remember all these bitching about avatar and EH gear, where were you?

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Slippery

The deagro belt can't be compared to the BCG, they serve two different purposes. They aren't meant to be compared in a which is better, because they don't do the same thing.

Depending on which 2 earrings you got and the situation you where in you did take off the mystical orb. OMG imagine that, situational loot.

The difference between the 2 cloaks is insanely minimal. There was a ton of bitching about EH and Avatar gear until it got upgraded, then the bitching lessened and eventually died off but it still happened. Also the difference in bitching about loot you could walk into a zone and kill that named within 5 minutes and bitching about loot from a zone where the entire raid has to be keyed from clearing other raid content is completely different.

dakkota

Lol, Lets say you have X peice of loot, here is where you found your upgrade. Lovly gap. This was how it looked in EoF.

KoS quest BCG ---> avatar
Mystical orb ---> avatar/introduction of ToNT
Unrest wand ---> avatar/C.mayong
Unrest cloak ---> Toughest of the given raid instances (imo ToNT > EH in difficulty)
Breath of the destroyer ---> 3rd floor EH (slight upgrade at that, some prefer'd Breath still)
Sagacity gloves (trash drop in 2nd easiest EoF zone) ---> LoL BeSt AVaIlaBlE
Cowl of the crypt (yet again, 2nd easiest EoF zone) ---> nope, this was the source for the pinnicle of shoulders, not EH or avatars, but FTHO.

And my favorite...Pre ToNT:
Nest robe ---> avatar robe/PHH robe


I could go on but, point and case. Where was the middle ground? If you catagorize the items by quality vs difficulty the raid was to obtain them (ok, maybe Sagacity gloves you could use rare/lucky card) it isn't linear one bit. So I still don't see much difference between then and now, sorry.