Orochan

Yes because closed mind is a proc, obviously.

Read above, closed mind is a class specific ability, tell me of another class that can be immune to every control effect except snare for 25 ish seconds, on command, almost instantly, with a recast of 2 mins ( give or take some seconds )

% double chance at combat arts is not double up. You said you wanted double up. Big difference. What you want is double spell attack but for melee classes, and I'm not against that.

And actually in my opinion aoe attack isn't limited to any class, and I think it should be a stat on items, but not on the every item like crit and DA are, because let's be honest, if a brigand and a swashy both have 50% aoe attack, the brigand now infringes upon what should be one of the main differences between those two classes ( brigs = single target dps, swashies = AOE dps )

So to an extent I think AOE auto shud be put on items, but that's it.

I was not aware we were only talking about effects that would be on raid items...realistically how many people had access to the fragment of the chime out of the entire eq2 player base?

Show me another weapon that has the same proc on it, and your argument will sound more valid, but at this moment it's all he said she said bullshit.

Oh and sorry I wanna keep some core skills to their respective classes, let's just give every class dispatch, decap, and a ward.

Seriously guys grow up.

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gungo

more effects we dont see much of-
physical absorbtion X- absorbs % of melee damage up to 10%
elemental rejuve X- converts a % of cold/heat dam into life up to 10%
noxious rejuve X- poisen/disease
arcane rejuveX- magic/mental/divine
Trample X-% chance at a double riposte atk up to 100%
Flurry X- 5% per rank frontal based aoe auto atk up to 50%
Stun resist X%
Stifle resist X%
Daze resist X%
riposte X%
spell range- up to 10m
beneficial spell duration- up to 10%
range atk- up to 10m
Accuracy X- up to 10% melee accuracy
Poisen expertise X- up to 10% posien damage

class effects-
toxicoligy- allows bards to use poisens.

Tradeskill effects-
Sage wisdom- allow sages to double the amount of loams produced
Alchemy wisdom X- increased potions duration by 50% (can be an item effect if needed) allows crit potions to last 22.5min instead of 15min.

gungo

Your WRONG so maybe you should grow up.

gungo

Imho Flurry was a bit to much to fast. It should be limited to % chance to (3) triple auto atk. Instead of up to 5 auto atks. I see flurry more as a tier 10 ability. But we will see hot it all turns out when melee hit rates are fixed and arrows are fixed etc.

Gaige

I don't think melee hit rates will ever be fixed. Nor do I think mob levels will ever be lowered. IF anything is done, it will a nerf to caster hit rates against higher con mobs.

But believe what you want.

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Orochan

I know what sanctuary does thank you. I was not referring to that, but since you insist here goes.

Sanctuary - lvl 55 Ancient teaching

Takes 2 seconds to cast, recast is 3 mins ( though I admit, I don't know if templar's have an AA to increase duration or reduce recast )

1% chance to dispel if target receives damage or receives hostile action.

Effects the whole group.

hmmm yea because that's so like closed mind. Your looking at the base effects ( immunity ) and ignoring everything else about the two spells. Closed mind is .5 sec cast, that is almost instant, 2 seconds is not almost instant.

Also it's an ancient teaching, so out of 24 classes, TWO have this type of ability and BOTH are ancient teachings. You fail.

And signets require guild level, status, and money. Signets are also lore ( iirc ) and have 1 charge. So they aren't even a valid argument at all.

As for hurricane read what I said, I am ok with it to an extent, meaning I dun mind if one or two items give + 5 or + 10% chance to aoe auto, however I would care if items allowed classes to get up to 50% ish aoe auto because that is one of the defining things about a swashy, their aoe damage potential. Learn to read.

I'll admit I skipped ahead while reading, but I think I clarified it in my previous post ( which you prolly didn't read, but were so eager to quote )

There it is again, in bold, for more clarification.

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Slippery

Gungo already addressed all your retarded points. Also, Fragment of the Chime is going to be up for more than 30 seconds every 2 minutes, which is better than closed mind.

Edit: The fact that you are being selective with what "class features" could be put on items makes you a hypocrite and invalidates anything you have to say in the matter. Arguing that you can't take my "class feature" away but it is fine when you take someone elses is away is fucking retarded.

TANGARTH

to be honest, he did prove you wrong last time you had a forum fight

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Orochan

I fear for the problems the next exspansion pack might/will bring really.

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Slippery

Have you verified it actually lands the debuff and not just the icon? I didn't think so.

What about the other 23 classes in the game? Do their debuffs land?