new contested drop better loot than VP and can be 1 grouped - Page 13

icKx · 03-05-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kyros

it starts to get to a point where you're running out of room for itemization. i can't even imagine what the next expansion's itemization will have to be like. will double attack and crit become returns-curve users?

Kinda wonder about this myself. Doubt they've given it much thought.
With the way things are going does this game even have another expansion left in it?

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Originally Posted by Widem

Ok for the last time...there is no way for gear to get any better, if you have legendary, your pretty fucking uber.

QFT. Smartest person in this thread.

But while we're back on the Casual vs. Raider debate. Can any non-raiding casual answer why they feel they need gear of a godly caliber to run heroic instances or whatever the hell you people do?
I mean honestly do you all suck that fucking much where you need 90% crits to clear Chelsith? I just don't understand your reasoning beyond the oft-declared "B-b-but casuals and crafters are 95% of the player base (untrue) so we should get uber lewtz!"

Raiders need raid-quality loot so they can advance and be more successful at raiding.
Casuals need raid-quality loot because ________ ??????

Alesis · 03-05-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Widem

Are you fucking kidding me with this shit? if you think raiders don't have to work or take care of kids or take classes your delusional.

The fact of the matter is the good players got together b/c they were sick of playing with shitty people and do 2x as much in half the time. They log on, they don't fuck around, and are managed to where every T is crossed and I is dotted. Make sure peoples schedule consists of at least having 3 people in shifts with a common raid time.
Yes we all realize you can do twice as much in half the time. Thats why casual raiding guilds are raiding 3 nights a week, 4 hours a night, and hardcore raiding guilds are raiding 5-7 nights a week, 4 hours + a night.

You sacrifice things when you take on responsibilities.
If you sacrifice your real life stuff to prioritize your video game, your a fucking dipshit, and a loser. This world isnt real. The world your computer chair is sitting in IS.

If you have three kids, want to work 80 hours or w/e you going to have to expect to lose other things, such is life. Your being selfish and wanting instantaneous gratification ruins progression in the game and wastes tons of peoples time in actually creating content.
Instantaneous gratification? Dude, if you instanced every contested mob in the game, youd have guilds who couldnt kill Avatars doing it, cause they could practice that shit on a non contested schedule. If I could schedule and Avatar of X raid a week in advance for my guild, wed pull them over and over until they where dead, pure and simple. You know why we dont kill them? Cause were at work, at school, fucking our wives or making sandwiches for our kids. We dont have time to live online 24/7 waiting for the timer on Avatar X to pop. Cause we live outside the game, in the real world, and know that this VIDEO GAME isnt the meaning of life.
How would this possibly be a waste of time in creating content? If anything, it would allow EVERYONE a chance to the content that is dominated by the FEW.

If you are willing to put 20 hours a week into this game you will have everything you could want. 20 hours of freetime a week isnt much.
If you put 20 hours a week into ANY video game, your a fucking waste of oxygen, and deserve to take a short nap on a busy Interstate ASAP.

Seriously fucker, your trying to talk shit to the wrong guy. Pick an easier target you fucking retard, cause I dont buy any of your redundant logic, and CAN dispute it all day, even though I dont have any desire to.
Im not gonna sit here and argue the casual .vs hardcore thing again, other threads have beat it to death. Honestly, it just boils down to casual raiding guilds saying "I dont think your so uber, i think you just got more time than we do" and hardcore raiding guilds sitting around beating thier digital epeens, circle jerking the dudes in hardcore guilds around them, and chanting at the top of thier lungs "WE ARE THE GREATEST PLAYERS THE WORLD HAS EVER KNOWN! We do twice is much in half the time because of our superior gaming skills!" all the while ignoring the fact that they play for 20 or 30+ hours a week.

tracheaspider · 03-05-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

That 5-crit tablet isn't good enough for any mage to want. The 2 best symbols are still Preator's Guard(4 crit + proc > 5 crit) and Dark Orb of the Mind. The symbol isn't an issue at all imo. Other items are.

Whoops, forgot about the Dark Orb. Mebbe cuz it keeps getting passed to mages. If I can argue my way into a priest getting it next, I'd take it over the 5 crit tablet for sure.

Widem · 03-05-2008, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

Seriously fucker, your trying to talk shit to the wrong guy. Pick an easier target you fucking retard, cause I dont buy any of your redundant logic, and will dispute it all day.

there's my point, you think that hardcore raiders have to sacrifice parts of their lives in order to kill this stuff...the only part of my life i sacrificed was Jay Leno, American Idol, Survivor....I really missed out on a lot.

The problem is you have no idea and con't comprehend skill and efficiency b/c you have never ever experienced it. Your to used to taking afk breaks and wiping b/c someone was watching TV or eating a burrito. People don't need to play 24/7, top guilds on some servers simply REFUSE to raid on weekends.

You are simply trying to rationalize your shortcomings by something you can tell yourself. "Its not that I'm not insufficient, its my time thats insufficient."

Well the problem is you and this problem has been perpetuated through itemization and the gross over sight.

A casual phrase that is coming to mind is "Need before greed" well there is a certain casual demographic that emphasized the greed before need b/c they definately don't need.

fyreflyte · 03-05-2008, 06:23 PM

The loot is being modified slightly, per this thread on the official boards:
GJ SOE on the new "casual" contested

Gage · 03-05-2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arieste

The idea is that it should be more worthwhile for you to flag your alt for VP than to leave it to farm this stuff. You should WANT to progress. One good reason to progress is epics, but it's not really enough given some of them.

Elite guilds tend to kill stuff just out of spite and to keep it away from others. This would basically be a way of saying "you're too old for this shit, leave it the fuck alone for the kids to play with"

And you're not getting punished. You go (assuming we use VP flagging as the cut-off point) from having 4 mobs with average loot to to having 13 (with better loot if fixed) in VP. Basically, you reach a point where these encounters and their loot are trivial to you. So you no longer get to do them. They are the training wheels on your bike. Yeah, you no longer have the 4-wheel option, but eventually you gotta take em off and (in the immortal words of Jaraxx) "man the fuck up!".

Sure, SOE can completely destroy the loot tables on these, but honestly, they gotta drop treasured shit for elites not to farm them and even then, they might still do it just to piss off the casuals.

I think it would be great, that as you move to the next tier of instances, you also move to the next tier of contested and out of the previous. The end result is that more people go through the content. The very very top level stuff will always be the same. The people not killing avatars now, still won't be killing them.

As far as "competition" goes. Competition happens best when you have equals. When you have hardcore raiders dominating a server, that's not actually competition. A blind cripple playing golf against tigers woods is not competition, but a blind cripple against another blind cripple and you got the makings of a rivalry. Competition doesn't have to ONLY happen at the elite level. Just as long as you set an even (or close) playing field. And honestly, if you were to set up a multi-tier contested system, the hardcore raiders really woudln't give enough shit to create sets extra alts to dominate the special olympics.

Maybe instead the contested tier should be above the instanced tier and to flag yourself for contested content you must first kill all the instanced content.

That sounds better than punishing players for not sucking at the game.

daray · 03-05-2008, 06:24 PM

LOL, so they have all been globally despawned.

Just as well I guess, since they are indeed far too easy for the loot they drop. Dominus Atrebe, for example, is a caster that just stands at range and casts a nuke every so often - he is duoable by any ranged dps with 1 healer.

Alesis · 03-05-2008, 06:26 PM

Actually slick, I have been in a couple World and Server first guilds, and after all that time in them, this is what I came up with:

On call lists. 24/7 response teams when mobs popped. 2am phone calls from guild officers when mob X popped. Mandatory 80% attendance policies on raid schedules of 5 days a week, 4-6 hours a day.

Casual players dont do that. They dont prioritize thier life around the game.

The PHH popped? Hope hes up at raid time tomorrow, cause I cant get up at 1am and kill him, I gotta be up for work at 6am. We go live at 730, imagine me telling my boss I wasnt ready cause I was busy "wacking the Avatar of War" till 3am. Id be fired so fast it wouldnt even be funny.

Now you can sit here and tell me that you guys dont raid 5 days a week, 5 hours a day, and 8 hour sessions on weekends all you want, but Ill tell you the this. Go look at your raid requirments, and the raid requirments of the top 10 games world wide, and then come back and spit out some more bullshit.

EQ2 = Timesink.....he with the most amount of time, wins. Plean and simple. If you argue this isnt the case, your deluding yourself.

Widem · 03-05-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by fyreflyte

The loot is being modified slightly, per this thread on the official boards:
GJ SOE on the new "casual" contested

changes nothing except even less people will get them if they arent willing to pay for it right away.

tracheaspider · 03-05-2008, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alesis

Dude, if you instanced every contested mob in the game, youd have guilds who couldnt kill Avatars doing it, cause they could practice that shit on a non contested schedule. If I could schedule and Avatar of X raid a week in advance for my guild, wed pull them over and over until they where dead, pure and simple.

One or two other guilds, perhaps. How many servers have more than 3 guilds that can clear VP? And VP is easymodes. If you think avatars are dominated just because hardcore folks impose fewer time constraints on themselves, you're smoking some good shit.

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Originally Posted by Alesis

If you sacrifice your real life stuff to prioritize your video game, your a fucking dipshit, and a loser. This world isnt real. ... Cause were at work, at school, fucking our wives or making sandwiches for our kids. We dont have time to live online 24/7 waiting for the timer on Avatar X to pop.

He's talking about sacrificing access to the best loot if your real life is too full, you dumbfuck, not sacrificing real life to play the game. What hardcore raiders do is put in all their free time into the game, time we'd otherwise spend watching movies or playing console games or engaging in other idle pastimes. Oh, and the image of us all sitting around in game waiting for Avatar X to spawn makes me giggle. Ever heard of a call list?

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Originally Posted by Alesis

Seriously fucker, your trying to talk shit to the wrong guy. Pick an easier target you fucking retard, cause I dont buy any of your redundant logic, and will dispute it all day.

/snicker

So you'll spend your whole day arguing on a board about a video game about how casuals are superior because they don't waste all their time playing a video game? Should be careful with that kind of irony, man; it could kill people.