Chemist

How many tier 8 avatars have you killed with adds again Gungo? Is the correct answer 0? Does your raid force suck that much?

By begging, you mean I sent you 1 email inquiring about an opening for a dirge? You told me to contact Phane, which I decided not to do. Seeing your dirges in action during EOF, I would have been better than any of them, your loss I guess. Besides I have a good home on a server that isn't the shortbus of eq2

Gaige

I'm sure that would go over well.

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Lizardling

Make it a grandfather item

Not really, but wouldnt mind if that happened(if it was looted before certain date: stays same; after: nerfed). I do think it is overpowered but really how much could it actually help out a brawler?

Also, while I do enjoy the stats, It just doesnt feel right to see these type of stats on brawlers in crap guilds.

As far as the brawler class goes, were fucked, we chose to be hybrid. We will never be near the best at tanking or dps'ing. Since i prefer to dps it hasnt become quite clear to me but im pretty sure in the MT group we can tank well, but specific encounters not nearly as well. Guardians currently can tie/beat brawler avoidance, so devs did a horrible job at defining our method of tanking. As for dps, well if we do more than a certain true dps class then we have the right to tell them how shitty they are.

Overall, besides solo, brawlers are pretty fucked and having played since beta and raiding since t5, the class has just become boring for raiding. Not to mention the desire for them is fucking shit. Were good shiny/statue clickers in VP since we can keep ourselves alive and flop if needed(nexona add deagro), or on valor we can be on orb duty and basically make it easymode. Besides that we dont really matter in raids, other classes beat us in all areas where we dont even come close. Whenever the class gets something that actually makes the game exciting, theres an outrage and it always results in a nerf. However certain ones I understand like strikethrough for monks or the DF bug for both classes(however, the DF bug made no difference whatsoever on the hardest encounters in the game).

There are so many things that can be considered OP, such as the imbalance/better stats on certain items in the lower tiers, guardian avoidance = or > brawler avoidance, assassin mythical etc. The way I view it is, there are so many scouts compared to brawlers that whenever we get something good, they will always fight to have it nerfed. When its the other way around(scouts receive nice shiat), not as much is really done since it benefits a greater majority and there arent many brawlers so they dont really fight to get things nerfed(cuz theyre used to not being listened to, and sometimes theyre just chillers). Then when the brawlers do try to defend anything like this item they lose all credibility to people like anyone in elysium.

Ive learned to not really care anymore cuz no matter what my class will always suck, and I will always be wrong(in attempt to become useful in the dps area). I chose the wrong class and its finally getting to the end of it where I completely realize it. If brawlers were deleted it would make no difference whatsoever in EQ2(except no more brawler gear in VP) <--- fuck it would actually make eq2 a better place(although the problem was never really that there was to much brawler gear, but not enough scout gear. If ya cant get that through your head, count the number of brawler only gear this expansion. Rarely in a weapon or armor slot will we have more than 1 selection other than set gear. The problem is either the restrictions or that others arent getting enough gear)

Another problem is one that was created in the begining of the game. 24 classes, 24 man raids. Some classes will always be fucked, SKs for example are very low on the list along with brawlers.

Delete+replace brawlers '08
Equally geared class of choice for those deleted!

Shandreya

He's still right, especially as the 'new' T8 gear coming out that's supposed to be the 'upgrade' to those ridiculously overpowered T7 drops is in fact worse, so now what? Obviously they realized that that stuff is way too good, but it's still way too good (13% procrate modifiable stoneskin boots, al-kabor robe, etc), that won't change by nerfing the new stuff, and the old stuff isn't going anywhere. At the very least they could cut the procrate on all of the old stuff in half and add that new "cannot be modified .." tag on it.

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Traxor

Sk's own man, id say more like pallys

Tyloth/Reefandar

Late post but.....regarding the GI, there is very few items out of VP that brawlers can use, which is why almost every mob in VP has something for us....on that note, if you guys didn't notice the avatar bp or (robe) was made for all classes, i think this is there making it up to us because i don't know if you whiney scouts noticed...but all throughout this game, we can't wear most fighter gear ( plate armor, shield, swords etc ) the only stuff we can wear leather armor is broken into two types druids and brawlers.... which is pretty distributed evenly...however that leave's us with more items that are specifically geared for us and none others due to soe can't figuire out what to do with us. Our meele rates are shit to scouts, our CA's are shit to scouts, VP gear is the only thing making us slightly usefull on raids, they nerfed our peel, strikethough..etc. Yet to see one scout nerf lately at all....If this was a healer item with a different beneficial affect for everyone, there wouldn't be any talk about it and everyone would be happy...How about you scouts let us take this one, and you can enjoy your all scout armor, hit rates, and back staps, while we try to hit the mob with the worst hit rate in the game, when 50% of our damage or more is meele....Please dont mention but your tanks....shitty heroic instances doesn't make you a tank. On raids our defensive stance ends twelve seconds after tsunami...at least for monks.

Couch and Gungo are clearly right...

stfu scouts, you can't have it all.

Reefandar Out.

Pinski

So, if the Gi is for brawlers, and the Tunic is for Scouts, why isn't the Tunic chain?

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Tyloth/Reefandar

shard of hate also is coming out i realized, so dont worry scouts you'll get your 20+ items, and well get our 4 or 5....

Dants

What you fail to realize is that scouts aren't the problem in your rant. The problem is that SOE designed a brawler class that doesn't work very well with raiding and has limited amounts of itemization due to the fact that SOE designed them that way.

You need to realize that your rant is offtopic with regards to the current topic because we weren't arguing whether or not brawlers get screwed because SOE fucked up. That's pretty much a fact and if the solution is to create these overpowered brawler only items, then so be it and that could lead to another discussion on how to itemize OP brawler only loot onto appropriately difficult mobs. But that's not what we're discussing. We're arguing the relative strength of the brawler gi in relation to other loot from the same zone

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