Outting The Club - Page 5

Ishbu · 04-18-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

I know exactly what wpns i need to use. I know what wpns i will do better dps with. DR is just an easier way of looking at a weapons spread and delay. I know larger spreads are better. I know that procs are not considered in DR. I produce above normal DPS for my class. You can attack me all you want, but the majority of the people on my server know what i can do. you are basically rewording statements to pick a debate that i am not disagreeing with. Basically your just being an asshole as usual. But what do i expect from a 2-faced person such as yourself.

Ah are you offended that you are too stupid to pick out the best weapons so your resorting to making up names to call me? You poor thing.

Its pretty bad when the entire thread stops and everyone posting in it has to comment about how dumb you are gungo. You would think you would get a clue, but your just not that smart.

The fact you look at DR at all shows how fucking useless you are. No wonder your stuck on crushbone not killing mobs.

Ishbu · 04-18-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

You can attack me all you want, but the majority of the people on my server know what i can do.

Ok Im sorry but I had to quote this again. Most of the people on the worst server knows what you can do. You do realize your server is crushbone right? The server that even after being given a step by step instruction of how to kill a mob still cant do it. The server where the best guild was actually afraid to waste their time on some new raid instances.

I would be fucking ashamed if my only defense was to say people on the shitty server think I can play ok. Great, your average for the handicap crew. Grats!

Kavoc · 04-18-2007, 07:12 PM

Obviously I can't speak for Gungo, but I thnk maybe what he was trying to say is that DR is important based on the fact that it is how SOE balances the weapons of the tier. Even though Vraksakin would beat the 120DR weapon that Ishbu outlined, SOE hasn't even allowed weapons of any spread to have a 120DR.

When you have a weapon like the Vraksakin, there are only 2 ways to really improve upon it (aside from effects), increase the DR or increase the delay. Considering the incredibly huge spread it already has, even doubling the delay to 8sec would only give marginal increases in DPS.

Now looking at the other 2-Hander shown in LFG's post, the DR is 105.9. If you attempted to create a Vraksakin like weapon (1-x dmg, 4sec delay) with a 105.9DR, the high end would only be about 423. This is a bigger improvement than the delay gave, but I have my doubts as to wether it is an increase comparable to what other weapon types have seen.

The only real importance I see to DR, is that until SOE makes 115 or higher DR weapons a possibility, then there is very little room for variation or improvment over the Vraksakin design.

Ishbu · 04-18-2007, 07:19 PM

1-499dmg, 5second delay = 100dr and would own the fuck out of vrak club.

gungo · 04-18-2007, 07:25 PM

Look i understand you get some enjoyment in life by being a dick on the forums. I understand this is all you really have to look forward to in your pathetic day. So i really can't condemn you for being a prick. I understand your a 2 faced dick thta would say xede, lfg, gaige, etc are great players one day then when they disagrees with you and leave the guild. They all of a sudden become the worst players. None of this is about that. Its the type of person you are. You publically disparage half the people who were ever in your guild and everyone else that ever disagrees with you.

Not that i even once disagreed with you in this thread. I said the damage spread was important. But so is delay. If DR had no meaning then the weapon i posted prior w ~35 DR would in your eyes be better, but its not. Your being a ass as usual. So i guess i will leave it at my original point. two handers in general have NOT scaled well. 2 handers SHOULD produce higher dps in general to a comparative 1 hander. They do not. Thats it and i like my server. Its very well populated. In fact no one is leaving our server. Although i know of at least 2 guilds leaving nektulos. And it isn't because you guys control the contested as you love to think. Its because you are dicks.

Ishbu · 04-18-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

Look i understand you get some enjoyment in life by being a dick on the forums. I understand this is all you really have to look forward to in your pathetic day. So i really can't condemn you for being a prick. I understand your a 2 faced dick thta would say xede, lfg, gaige, etc are great players one day then when they disagrees with you and leave the guild. They all of a sudden become the worst players. None of this is about that. Its the type of person you are. You publically disparage half the people who were ever in your guild and everyone else that ever disagrees with you.

More proof you have no idea. Ask gaige, he cant even deny we told him he was crap on a daily basis. Plus you had to try and make a feeble attempt at the RL card. Grats on admiting your a dumbass and have no idea what your talking about.

Kavoc · 04-18-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishbu

1-499dmg, 5second delay = 100dr and would own the fuck out of vrak club.

Hmm, 2/3rds of time you are going to be hitting for 500 (assuming 100% melee crit) every 5sec, which is slightly worse than the 405 every 4sec.

Max crit you could get from Vraksakin is 525
Divided by 4sec = 131

Max crit possible from yours 649
Divided by 5sec = 130

I'm perfectly willing to be wrong if there is something I missed, but your weapon actually seems worse, but barely.

Edit: this is assuming your abilities aren't interfering with auto-attack, which if you have 5sec casting times, then yes Ishbu's would most likely be better, but not hugely IMO

gungo · 04-18-2007, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kavoc

Obviously I can't speak for Gungo, but I thnk maybe what he was trying to say is that DR is important based on the fact that it is how SOE balances the weapons of the tier. Even though Vraksakin would beat the 120DR weapon that Ishbu outlined, SOE hasn't even allowed weapons of any spread to have a 120DR.

When you have a weapon like the Vraksakin, there are only 2 ways to really improve upon it (aside from effects), increase the DR or increase the delay. Considering the incredibly huge spread it already has, even doubling the delay to 8sec would only give marginal increases in DPS.

Now looking at the other 2-Hander shown in LFG's post, the DR is 105.9. If you attempted to create a Vraksakin like weapon (1-x dmg, 4sec delay) with a 105.9DR, the high end would only be about 423. This is a bigger improvement than the delay gave, but I have my doubts as to wether it is an increase comparable to what other weapon types have seen.

The only real importance I see to DR, is that until SOE makes 115 or higher DR weapons a possibility, then there is very little room for variation or improvment over the Vraksakin design.

Thanks to a degree yes. But what i really ment to say is that 2 handers should produce higher dps in general then they do currently.

Drodin · 04-18-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

If DR had no meaning then the weapon i posted prior w ~35 DR would in your eyes be better, but its not.

I'm sure 7 wasted seconds on delay is what makes a weapon uber...

If you wanted to make a point with delay meaning something you would change the spread not the dumb DR. If you want a weapon with Vraksakin style spread to have an 11 second delay and be of any relevance you would need to have made it 1-1115. Then maybe argue about if there is enough haste to make it worth it.

@ Kavoc the factors of STR and DPS mod greatly expand what could be max possible crit on the higher end of weapons

Pinski · 04-18-2007, 07:38 PM

Assuming 1-400 4.0 delay for crits:

1-308 gives a 401 crit, and 309-400 gives a crit range of 402-520.

So, 77% will be a 401 crit, and 23% will have an average hit of 461. This gives an average hit of 415. Which gives a DPS of ~104.

Next, 1-499 5.0 delay for crits:

1-384 gives a 500 crit, and 385-499 gives a crit range of 501-648.

So, 76.95% will be a 500 crit, and 23.05% will have an average hit of 575. This gives an average hit of 517. This gives a DPS of ~103. So, they'd be the exact same.