Sylvanking

This is all very comical

Can someone please drop an Avatar on the playmat so we can get this ball game rolling again?

patrck17

What really sucks is that the pvp gear is still a little worse than the pve gear, which means in order to have the best gear you still have to raid... on a pvp server...

Milambers

It's actually an Everquest 2 server that's PvP enabled.

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ZaiTh

I see both sides really. I don't like Milambers comment, but not because it is not true. pvp gear is not quite as good as pve but it is very nice, no one can argue that. To bad they could not have created an eq2 server based on a pvp system. If they would do that, I would /subscribe in a heartbeat and Milambers statement would be the opposite.

Having to pve to pvp is kind of retarded by design.

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Taryn 80 Warlock
Tarin 80 Dirge
Thaylin 63 Fury
Zaith 58 Templar
Pippiestoy 45 Ranger
Entrepid 37 Defiler
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Pudaan

Well for all the non retards it has been working out pretty good for the past 2 years

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patrck17

I think everyone can agree that a pvp server would require pvp to be enabled, and that the game is still considered EQ2.

Rather than playing the word game though I guess we can get to the root of the issue, which is if PVP servers should encourage PVP first and PVE second, or the other way around. Clearly it has always been PVE first and PVP second, which is consistent with your comment that it is eq2 with pvp enabled. The new developer is obviously attempting to turn the focus on pvp servers away from pve, these changes are being welcomed by some and condemned by others. Personally I see no harm from turning the focus away from pve on pvp servers, since there are plenty of servers where people can focus on pve.

I think the cost of the pvp gear the way it is now is low, but I think that is cause it is so late in the xpansion, just to give the mass's a chance to get the gear and play with it for a few months. I expect that the pvp gear cost in T9 will be similar to what we saw in TSO. We can't be sure though, so I think it is important that we feedback this on the official forums as constructively as possible. We'd hate to wait around to see and then at SF launch the pvp gear is obtained within the first week and people are bored for the whole expansion. To help combat the zerg I suppose they can reimplement a fame system, that seemed to help before. Maybe some thought could be put into it to prevent all the annoyances we saw in the past with the famewhoring. Fame+Decay may be worth a try who knows.

Anyways I hardly see this gear being game breaking this late in the expansion, hopefully some of the scrubbier guilds can get past Xebnok and Tythus now. Lets just make sure we feedback so that when SF comes out we don't have everyone in full sets of gear in the first week. As funny as it would be to have all the raid WW1st come from PVP servers, I don't think it would best for the game or the server, in the long run.

Also I can see this making the exiles a little butthurt, since the gear advantage will be narrowing on a larger scale than before. I think that alone would be enough to bias their opinion of the new gear, that being said though, I think us in faction can be bias too cause we get lots of new toys for cheaps. Most important to really think about the health of the server and if this is good or bad for it.

ZaiTh

That is the basis of the problem and exactly what I said earlier, either in this thread or it was another one. People now expect a certain process no mater if it is stupid or not.

Non faction tore up everyone due to gear. Lots of badass folks on all 3 sides, with superior gear you can't compete regardless of skill for the most part. The gap is a lot smaller now and I am glad because I would rather pvp than pve. Pve is a necessary evil in this game to be able to compete.

Everyone realises this and agree's correct?

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Zaith 58 Templar
Pippiestoy 45 Ranger
Entrepid 37 Defiler
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Pudaan

Wrong.

Gear helps a lot, no doubt, but 90% of the time I see another grp/zerg lose it is because they have no fucking IDEA how to assist, they have enchanters/troubs just trying to charm instead of actually doing their job. Elwin and Cyborrg both went to a faction earlier this expansion because they got sick of raiding, they were there for under a week and came back to onyx telling me the pathetic state of faction pvp. The other 10% is the rare 30minute+ fight you have with another 6 man, whoever has the most power regen gear wins the fight, you are correct there.

The ONLY piece of gear that REALLY matters is your mythical, you can buy it for 400plat or grow a brain and murder everything in VP with your TSO geared characters.

This game is PvE with a side of PvP. Could this be a great PvP oriented game? Yes. That would also require a almost complete redesign of the game, putting in armor you can acquire in 1 week that gives you the equivalent strength of someone who just spent 5 months getting gear that is maybe 10% better is retarded.

Judging by the monumental retardedness of the PvP dev you can guarantee this system will stay the same and within a month of the new expansion, casual, half retarded players will be better geared then the best world wide guilds.

This is not a discussion about exile's not getting this gear, or how we should be mad SOE is completely ignoring a popular pvp option of FFA, this is a discussion about how horribly fucked up PvP servers are going to be in the coming months. You should not be ok with this if you want to be playing a healthy game next year.

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Humi

Honestly if the pvp gear had been adjusted to like it is now, back when TSO pve gear got its boost and the cost of everything was the same as it was then, everything would be fine.

The problem is they added all this stuff so late in the xpac( aboutyear late to be exact and want people to be able to use it) they over compensated by the reduced cost.

You are a bit extreame in your exageration of how long you think it takes to get tokens in the zerg fest. The lag is brutal but you can get 1 peice a day if you full commit to it, also you exiles support it by fighting the zergers around the writ giver.

A good solution would be to not allow people to get writs in the same zone but once an hour or half hour, that would force people to hit different T8 zones to pickup new writs: thus spread the pvp out some.
One can only do at very max 6 writs an hour, so in order to do that they would have to get a writ from 3-6 differnt zones.

I miss pvp outside of KP.

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Pudaan

30 tokens an hour, 1 piece = 100 tokens, 1 piece = a little over 3 hours. You can update your entire writ within seconds of getting a new one, but if you are to retarded to blue aoe add another 15minutes on to that and your are still under 4hours for 1 piece.

No I am not exaggerating, its simple math.

People wont go out of a 10 feet radius around the writ giver and certainly wont willfully engage onyx. Want us to go park our group at city of jinisk? I'm sure we'll find tons of pvp there!

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