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Old 11-19-2009, 07:02 PM  
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Once the content is gray the dev team can easily move the mythical quest outside of VP and make it into some heroic quest - or simply have the existing heroic quests reward the mythical.

They are too good to be replaced by T9 gear, period.
If they move it to be heroic it becomes even more of an entitlement than it already is.

If it's too good to be replaced and it's effectively an entitlement, it's too good to exist and should be fazed out or rendered otherwise less important. As it is the effects that make them so valuable, it's something that's going to have to be dealt with in the future anyway so they may as well do it now and not extend the 2 year monstrosity. I'm more than willing to accept that it was cool for the t8 era but it also has to be accepted that mythicals cannot become like the cleric clicky in EQ1. EQ2 has done well by making each new tier effectively a reset, they shouldn't screw that up with mythicals.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:31 PM  
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Claymore reward for priests is still pretty damned good. I fully expect Mythicals to be stupid OP for the next 2 years.
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I fucking hate the system where you basically strive to have the near exact same gear as everyone else in your class because that's the hands down best gear for raiding.

It's nice to have class-specific gear, but make other options that are just as good available for a similar effort.
That is such a pointless goal. If you want to be different, parse higher. Wear a different appearance outfit. Until then I plan to drool over Rolexes and Lamborghinis JUST AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES.
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Old 11-20-2009, 12:21 AM  
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That is such a pointless goal. If you want to be different, parse higher. Wear a different appearance outfit. Until then I plan to drool over Rolexes and Lamborghinis JUST AS EVERYONE ELSE DOES.
I drool over those. I also drool over Lexuses, Jags, Rolls Royces and Cartier. In the game space, why should a single piece of gear like an avatar robe be my excuse not to parse "well" if there are other respectable options? I'd like to not have that one goal or single point of failure. I'd like to actually have to think about my gear choices and actually have choices instead of constant focus on set gear.
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Claymore reward for priests is still pretty damned good. I fully expect Mythicals to be stupid OP for the next 2 years.
There's good and then there's completely changing how you play your class. The Claymore item wasn't so integral to playing your class that you absolutely had to have it even though it was nice. As a myth'd coercer I honestly don't think I could ever go back to not having manaflow be groupwide.
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The developers could keep the mythicals alive through the beginning of tier 9 and just phase them out with the new "epic" quest over time so that they are entirely replaced by new shiney class-defining epic weapons by the time tier 10 rolls around.

Mythicals have become more than just the typical expansion signature quest reward--they have defined and redefined class roles. They don't need to require the Veeshan's Peak version of the epic to be gotten to advance the "epics" along, but I hardly think when I hit 90 my mythical should just become trash all of a sudden. That kind of kills the epic flair behind the idea of the items themselves.

They could take a path like EQ1 took with going from 1.0 to 1.5 to 2.0 epics (and even 2.5 if you count the raid augment later). Create two paths--the old fabled/Veeshan's Peak route then get a starter quest for the "2.0" quest or do a new set of quests that culminates in you getting the starter quest for the "2.0" quest.

The other option would be to allow mythicals to ignore item degradation (if that's even happening anymore) and remain one of the best items at the start of tier 9. Besides, didn't a developer post something about scaling Veeshan's Peak up to tier 9 for the expansion? I'm going to take a guess that the continuation of the epics might've been part of that (who knows!)
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I drool over those. I also drool over Lexuses, Jags, Rolls Royces and Cartier. In the game space, why should a single piece of gear like an avatar robe be my excuse not to parse "well" if there are other respectable options? I'd like to not have that one goal or single point of failure. I'd like to actually have to think about my gear choices and actually have choices instead of constant focus on set gear.
Because I'll tell you exactly what happens. You have 4 or 5 items that have a different approach to putting out about the same damage and people bitch that neither has a clear advantage over the rest. It's already like that now with mage belts, and it's chicken-and-egg type of bullshit. Once again, it's a stupid, pointless goal.
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as long the mythicals go obsolete I d be happy....we need new epic quest series to get the next ubah item needed for progression of the bigger picture...nm if its to do group instances, raids or avatar kills

2 years to get an item that takes a "nolife weekend" to get is enough...VP is already trivial, no raid guild would want to have to do that for another year

for the buffs...well its all itemzation, no reason they cant be placed on other gear/weapons....make a myth 2.0, would hate if they make the first mythical needed to get that....can maybe accept need the fabled version, but then still would have to do old trivial content which is = no fun just an annoying need
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At 90 people will be 1 or 2 grping VP for updates.
at 90? you sure?


And I thought the devs were pretty clear, but let me reiterate.


there will be no more epic weapons. Our current epics will still be useable for us, but in some other way, be it a charm, clikly item, or buff. They may physically be changed or maybe not. At the time the details had not been fully decided, but the intent was that the devs don't want us using them anymore, but they DO want us to still gain some benefit for having done the epic quest already, and therefore even in T9, your alts will likely still want to go back and do your epic quest at some point.
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at 90? you sure?


And I thought the devs were pretty clear, but let me reiterate.


there will be no more epic weapons. Our current epics will still be useable for us, but in some other way, be it a charm, clikly item, or buff. They may physically be changed or maybe not. At the time the details had not been fully decided, but the intent was that the devs don't want us using them anymore, but they DO want us to still gain some benefit for having done the epic quest already, and therefore even in T9, your alts will likely still want to go back and do your epic quest at some point.
As long as the benefit is nothing more then a trivial buff that's fine, but if its a game defining ability that requires us to redo them everytime someone changes mains or we recruit a new person. A trivial buff would be something like the "ill will buff" its nice gives everyone 25 to all stats and 1200+ resists and and a small heal proc 120+. Something useful to everyone, but not required.

Vp is 2 groupable now, although it is still long and boring most fights will never be soloable due to focus damage, fail effects and dps requirements, incessive curing. Furthermore Vp isnt the only raid for the mythical, not like you can solo leviathan.

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The problem with making the Myth an adornment, is the fact that adornments can't be currently removed from an item.

Was it LDoN, that adornments that could be removed? If they would some how add that feature, to have adorments removable and reattune them, then wouldnt be a bad idea.
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