How Good is Too Good?

Melodias · 03-03-2008, 04:59 PM

Just a question here. Is it appropriate to ask a swashy to hold back on his DPS (except for obvious situations when they HAVE to de-aggro) because they are just too good?

When Black Mark was functioning, Rekip had no problem holding aggro from Gieorg and Koyomi, but it seems they both are having a hard time finding a new raid guild because no one else seems to be able to. Is it appropriate to ask either of them to NOT maintain their 4500+ raid-wide parse? I've seen Gieorg top 6K occasionally ...and he gets yelled at!?!

So what do you think? Hold back and play nicely with others or be the best you can be and play alone?

P.S. two hot swashys seeking raid guild

Sqee · 03-03-2008, 05:04 PM

I think if the swashy is turning the mob and causing a raid wipe then the swashy should moderate his DPS... But if he can take the hits and not cause a raid wipe - then there is no problem

Raid wipe - bad...

Juggerknott · 03-03-2008, 05:26 PM

Too good? No such thing. Being "good" is more then just pumping out 4-5k dps. Being good means knowing your limits, knowing when and how to agro dump most effectively, and how to make suggestions if the raid setup is less then optimal to allow those kinds of numbers.

Speaking from experience I have seen some of our DPS hitting 5.5k easily and not stealing agro, while someone doing 2.5k does consistently steal agro. I am not saying Gieorg isnt good, or blaming him for the problem. I AM saying that you can always be better. Its fairly easy to pull good numbers, but thats only half the DPS role, you need to hit high numbers AND not steal agro. A DPS should always know where the limit is, and stay just under it, and preferably, just under the 2nd tank as well.

Remember a raid isnt one or two good players. You can NEVER say "its your fault because _____ I am great because i can ______ " It is always a team effort, and you need to know not only your own class, but everyone elses, and how they work together.

Melodias · 03-03-2008, 06:12 PM

Good points. Sqee ....neither of them have EVER caused a raid wipe and they both know better than to turn the mob. Juggy, you're 100% correct (I never thought I'd ever say those words). As I said in my post they both know when to appropriately dump aggro.

So question number 2 ....when you are a guest on a raid with another guild, is it appropriate to make suggestions about the group setups to the raid leader? Really it's their raid and not yours. I think that was Koyomi's problem in his last raid. He never wiped the raid, but died over and over and over with just auto-attack.

Adun · 03-03-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Melodias

So question number 2 ....when you are a guest on a raid with another guild, is it appropriate to make suggestions about the group setups to the raid leader? Really it's their raid and not yours. I think that was Koyomi's problem in his last raid. He never wiped the raid, but died over and over and over with just auto-attack.

I think Juggy's post kind of touched on that as well. If the tank isn't strong enough to hold aggro against a swashy that's just auto attacking, then the swashy should considering not using poisons or down grading weapons if they want to keep raiding with that group.

As to making suggestions... I would think in a perfect world, any raid that had guest DPS of that quality would be open to suggestions so that DPS would want to keep coming back. I'd say, give it a shot but remember this is LDL and pointless bickering seems to be inbred in many of us here.

I've never had any DPS toons good enough to turn mobs in a raid situation (I did once but it was against a very weak tank) but I do it all the time on my brigand in groups. If I want to keep grouping with said tank, I just scale back until I can dump aggro with the tools I have available. If I get aggro and can't shake the mob, it's too much.

Sometimes I just decide I'm going to tank the mobs (especially when the tank doesn't know what they're doing) but that touches on another issue altogether

Juggerknott · 03-03-2008, 07:21 PM

Is it okay to give suggestions to a raid leader when your a guest? Absolutely! but do it in tells not over vent or raid chat. Any good leader will take the suggestions into advisement, implement them if they would help or explain why not if they would not work. ANY leader who does not take suggestions is not worth raiding with. Period. A raid needs to grow and adapt constantly to learn new content and do better on old content.

That said, sorry to hijack the thread, as True Blood is now moving into content that requires every member to be flagged, we are again recruiting to ensure that we do not need to pull guests in on off nights. You can see a full and updated list on our web page: trueblood.guildportal.com.

GOOD dps is always welcome to drop us a line and show us what you can do.

ibwhiteboy19 · 03-03-2008, 08:08 PM

I R L33t DPS. Invite me!

Salarionn · 03-04-2008, 06:19 AM

losing agro from auto attacks in a raid set up for a tank is a tank that doesnt need to be in that role. I am sorry if this tank is a friend of mine because i am clueless who this tank is or what raid, but really thats sad.

Salarionn · 03-04-2008, 06:27 AM

Maybe they should use the Thar approach and ask for a 10 second i suck waiting period?

Arlen Bouldersmi · 03-04-2008, 08:21 AM

Chuckles at Salarionn -

I firmly believe in the 5 second rule , not because I suck( I lick , ask my wife) but because even at Master 2 taunts get resisted on the pull, Normally Im running reinforcement on the pull but due to AE,s I want to get the mob turned away from raid asap and hit my taunt as soon as its in range, if dPS is going all out and taunt gets resisted ill never get close enuff to hit the mob in time before said dps is dead. thats just me and we all have small deviations on our tank styles (btw, im not the tank in question)