Ceriaton

Lol, well that doesn't mean crap. Let's say I am in "Sweaty Balls with a hint of Lime" (not really a guild name just giving an example) and we are claiming to be an elite guild cause we can kill the two mobs before matron but can't even get Matron itself under 99%. Or you could use EH and Woushi or any of the other superior mobs Baiynne listed.

__________________
"Personal philosophy? BOOM!" Former Original Impulse member

mindeen

So by Trinitas not clearing Throne room you are not in end game yet? Was tribes not in end game content because they didn't kill matron first? How far do you take it honestly?

In my opinion if you are in these instances, and you are clearing the the majority of it and working on strats for the hard mobs, then this is end game content.

I think the difference you are looking for is "beaten end game".

Pepi-Lilly

pfft there is no such thing as end game...this is everquest until you do every instance, all quests, and contested then your not hardcore enough!

mindeen

In terms of guilds that raid I'll list the ones I've raided with and seen actually kill stuff:

Crimson Dragons (my guild) - We are casual raiders but we farm KoS easily and are now working on learning the harder EoF zones.

Legends of Time - A newer guild that showed up recently, can clear all KoS zones, and are working on EoF also. Been on a couple raids with them.

Forgotten Knights/Sanctuary - Previously part of an alliance but now raid as just themselves. They can clear all KoS content and are working towards moving back into clearing mmis/eh again.

EQ2RC - Can clear most EoF zones (haven't raided with them for a while but guessing they can clear everything now), but this is an alliance. Been on one raid with them.

Imperium - Can farm KoS and are pretty far along in EoF. I haven't raided EoF with them but when they do 16 man pickups for things like Harla their dps is quite high.

Essence of Evil - I haven't raided with them but I know they are doing similar content.

Hope that helps, welcome to Mistmoore.

Harmless

no where did i mention elite guilds. i said guilds doing eof. and doing eof and clearing eof are 2 diffrent things. clear = mastery the current end game content. doing = zonign in and trying to clear it. at some point every guild including the big 3 were trying to do eof and not clearing it. i can almost be sure that when no one was clearing it they all said they were doing end game content.

althou i tend to agree true end game content is contested. most people who are not hard core raiders consider eof raid zones to be end game. of the people that raid very few will take down contested on a regular basis. but most have a chance at clearing end game instances at some point. and to them thats end game.

Choadley

I'm pretty sure no raid alliances or smaller guilds have killed Wuoshi, yet. If I'm wrong, then grats to whoever.

KoS is by no means "End Game." It's not even needed to gear up for EoF. All you need to start EoF raids is legendary set gear and you can start working on the low level stuff. People should be doing high DPS in KoS zones, that's no major feat. It's almost, realistically, a tier behind in quality and difficulty.

I believe people have killed Mayong in MMIS, because I've seen some people in unknown guilds with Soulfire weapons. Everyone should be able to kill Mayong in MMIS by now, or very soon, because his current version is just a shadow of the difficulty he was when he was deleveling the MT every 30-45 seconds. If you understand the encounter, it's painfully easy compared to his other 2 versions.

None of this matter really in the overall topic though. They are all considered raid guilds. I guess I'm still stuck on the other topic of end game.

__________________
T7M is recruiting: Illusionist, Inquisitor, Mystic

"I am a COWBOY!!!"

Epitaphe

it was every 37 sec that the delevel was hiting.
and it s current form is basically a joke first time we killed him before the nerf took us 9min43. last time we killed it it was a 3 min kill.
an easy analogie could b cheldrak pre eof and the current cheldrak that is pickupable.

__________________

Outside of a dog reading is man's best friend. Inside it s too dark to read...

Brallin

Don't forget Glaven the best guild on MM.

Choadley

There. All set.

__________________
T7M is recruiting: Illusionist, Inquisitor, Mystic

"I am a COWBOY!!!"

enrond

For most, just stepping into an eof raid instance would mean they are "seeing" end game content, because well, any raid is going to be end game for them. For those who basically only raid, and do so in a hardcore guild, will say that end game, at this point in time, is at a minimum, clearing mmis,Eh, and at least showing up for a contested hmm lets say one a month

You know you are "end game" when

1. you can clear eh in under 7 days
2. you can beat at least one Mayong
3. you've actually seen an avatar
4. you can steal hurricanus or MO
5. you know that tribe of the seven moons and lords of the triple moons are actually 2 diff guilds.
6. you realize that wizards are The most crucial class to any good raid force :p

did i miss any?