Progression Thread 2.0 - Page 40

Malachyte · 08-19-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm not gonna call you any names or put you down, but i'll be straight up with you. If you consider yourself a high-end guild but don't care to even try the highest end content, why call yourself a high-end guild in the first place? Not to mention, if you have half your guild or some that actually want to do that content, then that tells me that they were possibly duped when they apped thinking that they would actually be able to do that content. And yes, we have had some of your CURRENT members ask if they could app when spots open up.

The biggest problem i have with you and the reason why i put you down is something Aandien has said time and time again, and has been saying it for years now. That you guys are just as good as us, or better even, in every aspect implying it with much less time and effort invested. To me that is more of a put down than anything i could ever call you.

Malachyte · 08-19-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aandien

Now see, this is a much better way to compete. Something that isn't predicated on having to start raids at 7pm or something. Just a straight zonewide dps parse. Of course, there are lots of things that can modify dps heavily -- gear included (like a few avatar items that give 15% or more dps boosts to a class). So if you wanted to get an equivalent parse, you'd have to remove those items (if you have any) and replace them with instance content loot only.

It would be interesting if SOE would start tracking guild kills, how long it takes, how many attempts, how many deaths per attempt, a player 'gear' rating, etc. Then you'd actually get a set of statistics about a guild, and it's members where you actually could make some form of comparisons -- much like the way statistics are kept on athletes.

I knew there'd be a handicap...i just knew it lol

Johnny50 · 08-19-2008, 03:00 PM

Well then i guess what could be said here is a difference of opinion. Just like yours and Lygers difference of opinions on diffuculty of certian mobs. It seems to me most guilds that clear all the instance content consider themselves high end. But hey, that could be called high end, then avatars and contested could be the higher end of the high end. But i'm doubting anyone will recruit saying, "If you want to join a guid killing the higher end of the high end content". I think high end may be a general term used when maybe it doesn't need to be, in your opinion.

If Trinitas wants to call themselves high end, fine by me. I'm a player that joined a guild that clears the content i set out to clear and helps and will help if it is chosen by my guild to attempt and clear the higher end.

If Aandien has said Trinitas is better than Tribes, then that would be Aandiens opinion. Personally my opinion would be, who gives a shit. You guys do your thing, we'll do ours. But that is an argument that will never be solved, regardless of duels or arena fights or dps parse postings.

Djank · 08-19-2008, 03:36 PM

What Im wondering though is if we have members just waiting for an open spot, why havent they apped yet, you guys have been recruiting just about every class we have in the last two months yet mysteriously, not one person has left. Oh they tell us about the times you "hint" at what classes you need and coincidentally you are hinting to a member of that class, but the fact that they tell us about it says something to me.

Malachyte · 08-19-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny50

Well then i guess what could be said here is a difference of opinion. Just like yours and Lygers difference of opinions on diffuculty of certian mobs. It seems to me most guilds that clear all the instance content consider themselves high end. But hey, that could be called high end, then avatars and contested could be the higher end of the high end. But i'm doubting anyone will recruit saying, "If you want to join a guid killing the higher end of the high end content". I think high end may be a general term used when maybe it doesn't need to be, in your opinion.

If Trinitas wants to call themselves high end, fine by me. I'm a player that joined a guild that clears the content i set out to clear and helps and will help if it is chosen by my guild to attempt and clear the higher end.

If Aandien has said Trinitas is better than Tribes, then that would be Aandiens opinion. Personally my opinion would be, who gives a shit. You guys do your thing, we'll do ours. But that is an argument that will never be solved, regardless of duels or arena fights or dps parse postings.

It isn't simply a difference of opinioin when there is a clear wrong. Lyger's suggestion of what was only slightly harder was wrong, not a difference of opinion. Hell, he's openly conceded several times already.

So what you're saying is, you're not actually a high-end content raid guild but a semi-high-end or quasi-high-end content raid guild...Please update your recruitment thread to reflect this development

Choadley · 08-19-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny50

Why i still come to this site and read these forums is beyond me, i really dont know. But after reading through this thread i feel like i should make at least one post in defense of the guild that i am in and proud to be in.

I have always enjoyed reading Choadleys posts, i think that they are informative and ALWAYS respectful and factual. Malachyte enjoys posting differently, to each his own. I also have the upmost respect for Lyger and the members of Trinitas, Aandien included. To me he is an excellent guild leader and leaves the decisions and motivation of his players up to his players. If Trinitas members wanted to focus on avatars, Aandien would be behind us 100%. Trinitas is full of very talented players, i think that if we decided to focus on avatars, that eventually we would get one or two, or however many. In my experience with avatars and contested, the early bird gets the worm. Call that an excuse if you like, but if Trinitas starts later than Tribes, then obviously Tribes is there pulling and when Trinitas forms and gets there, chances are Tribes will have already killed the mob or within one or two pulls after we arrived you will.

Like i said, my take on it. Call me a carebear, shithead, lazy, asshat, fucktard all the various names i've seen used here. Trinitas is a very talented guild, i'm proud to be a part of it. By far the best casual/hardcore guild i've ever been in. Casual, hardcore call them whatever you want, we still accomplish what we WANT to and evidently at the time that may not be avatars and contested.

I wouldn't criticize most of what you write, because that's how you enjoy playing the game and you typed it straight up. I would just say that it takes more then saying you want to kill contested and then just doing it, because you're not being left there to do it on your own pace for as long as you like.

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Originally Posted by Aandien

Of course, there are lots of things that can modify dps heavily -- gear included (like a few avatar items that give 15% or more dps boosts to a class). So if you wanted to get an equivalent parse, you'd have to remove those items (if you have any) and replace them with instance content loot only.

I'm wearing one piece of avatar gear from this tier and one from last. I could easily change both of them out for set gear and I would still put myself against the best scouts of anyone available. My point is that I know plenty of classes with avatar gear that I don't fear at all. SoH gives better gear for DPS increase for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Djank

What Im wondering though is if we have members just waiting for an open spot, why havent they apped yet, you guys have been recruiting just about every class we have in the last two months yet mysteriously, not one person has left. Oh they tell us about the times you "hint" at what classes you need and coincidentally you are hinting to a member of that class, but the fact that they tell us about it says something to me.

We aren't recruiting currently. Not only that, but we also get 85% of our recruits from off server because of our status. Just because we are recruiting for some classes doesn't mean those are the ones inquiring about positions. It doesn't matter at all to me if you believe anyone from your guild has contacted us DJ. If it makes you feel better to not believe the comments, that's fine. I'm not on here to make you worry about losing players. I don't have a real problem with anyone in your guild.

Malachyte · 08-19-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Djank

What Im wondering though is if we have members just waiting for an open spot, why havent they apped yet, you guys have been recruiting just about every class we have in the last two months yet mysteriously, not one person has left. Oh they tell us about the times you "hint" at what classes you need and coincidentally you are hinting to a member of that class, but the fact that they tell us about it says something to me.

Just because you don't see the app on our recruitment page doesn't mean they haven't requested themselves as an option when the position opens. I mean let's be real a second, would you post an app on your rival guild's site in advance before the position is available so that it messes up your current place of residence? They like to, how you say, keep their options open i guess you can call it. Well, i know that if i found out someone was apping somewhere else that they'd be kicked before the day came that they could leave on their own...but maybe that is just me :D.

Johnny50 · 08-19-2008, 04:18 PM

LOL. That was based on changing the recruitment thread about the high end raiding.

Malachyte · 08-19-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny50

LOL. That was based on changing the recruitment thread about the high end raiding.

Hehe, that was pretty clever huh? :D, see, we can be friends :D

Djank · 08-19-2008, 04:48 PM

Oh I know all of that but what Im saying is that within the last two months you have been recruiting from a wide variety of classes and yet, no one left, no one joined your guild, by posted app or by silently switching in the wee hours of the morning.

The simple fact is, if it happens it happens, as Im sure you know given the turnover rate you have experienced in the past, replacing members is just a fact of life in this game, people do what they want to do to be happy, hey its their money, Im not gonna fault anyone for that. So if they go they go.