eq2brawler

Dear Aerelik,

You seem very good at knowing when a skill is overpowered, and I'm sure you know when it's underpowered too. Can you please look at the monk spell "silent palm" and consider making it more powerful or at minimum cost less power, keeping in mind that it is a special level 50/70 spell akin to other class spells like lich and ice nova.

Currrently: Does less damage than level 58 spell arctic talon and costs over twice as much power. 700 avg damage from a level 70 spell is laughable even for monk combat arts. It barely does more damage than our basic and very power inefficient 10second recast jab and kick (which are levels 58 and 61 btw, not near level 70). The level 70 class special combat art should not be this weak.

I understand that it stifles, but the duration of the stifle isn't very long, not to mention it doesn't work on epics. Monks need raid lovin', and a fix to silent palm might help with that.

I know it's a bit improper to address a forum thread to a specific developer, but this is a reflection of how strongly I believe it deserves to be changed. I'd really like something that is worth speaking of, just like lich, ice nova, debilitate, savage bruising, and pretty much all other class levle 70 spells.

Niezo

/agree

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Normack

This is one of the problems with the age long debate of monk vs. bruiser. Savage Bruising absolutely face rapes Silent Palm in dps/tanking. It does HUGE burst aoe dps for snap aggro on encounters which brawlers lack, and we get somehting that hits for less than an auto attack? WHO THE FUCK CARES IF IT STIFFLES THE MOB. The bruiser set pants increase their damage to Savage bruising too. Ours increase Crescent strike. The total amount of dmg gained if we hit our max targets is almost 2:1 in favor of the bruiser. Same thing goes with our set BPs. If your full set of attacks on FC / 1HP hits, the bruiser can do almost double the damage. WHAT THE FUCK.

Look into Silent Palm. It sucks, bad.

Thanks!

TheGimpMonk

Yeah Normack. I have always thought our set legs should boost our fire breath if we are forced to take a boost on an aoe (it would also make the fire breath aa much more appealing) If they would just give us something that was noticeable and dare I say it comparable to bruisers. Even if they reduced the casting on our Crescent Strike by like 1 - 1.5 seconds for the pant focus. That would be nicer than what we have.

Oh as for Silencing palm. The main problem as stated is power. If they are going to leave it as is with damage and stifle the power needs to come way way down like down to 50 power. Not by 50 power but to 50 power. This spell does less damage and costs more power than crescent strike does for a single target mob...

I hope this is one of the spells that SOE looks at just like they are going to for power drains to make better for raiding.

Cochy

While my Monk has been long retired the reason Silent Palm is underpowered is because the spell was designed in a different era of the game. In tier 5 the spell was a 20 second stifle that worked on epics so it was pretty balanced with Savage Bruising. With DOF they reduced the duration to 8 seconds and then made it not work on epics and never bothered to make the spell not suck for damage. Like it has been said before this spell needs a revamp, either increased damage or something.

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Normack

Thank you for proving others notice it too. It's ridiculously crappy.

Slamdar

This is pretty much what happened with a lot of spells that other classes suffer from as well. I know troubadors still have something as useless as silent palm... Power drains attached to their quick strike. We all know how useful those are... Aerelik really needs to go back over all of these spells and fix them!

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Normack

But does your power drain cost 150 power and lower your dps?

If I remember the spell correctly, it takes about as much power as it gives you back, so power loss isn't a problem, its just never used because it lowers your dps. Now imagine that spell COSTING 150 power, lowering your dps, not effecting epics, and keep in mind that it's your class defining lvl 70 ability.

FUN!!!!

Slamdar

You're thinking of Steal Essence. And actually that spell has a power net gain (at least when it is Master I).

But yes, Sandra's actually does generally lower dps if it is used because it only hits for ~300-500 when I'm auto-attacking for ~1k... Sure its some extra damage to throw in between attacks, but is very very very low priority. As far as the power consumption of the spell, I do not recall it off the top of my head. =/

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eq2brawler

One idea I had is to add a debuff that procs damage when the target casts a spell/CA. Roleplaying wise it would be like 'okay, even if the target is immune to stife, my silent palm is gonna make him bleed if he tries to cast something'.

Silent Palm
Does 400-800 dmg.
Applies Silent Suffering: Lasts for 10 seconds.
- When target casts a spell or combat art, casts Silent Pain on caster:
- Inflicts 1500-3000 damage
- Grants 1 trigger

Yea it's a lot of damage but it's conditioned on casting a spell or CA so it would take some careful timing to get maximal use.

Or like others have said, bring the power cost way down. But then it would just be another crappy jab, that could again eat up an autoattack without perfect timing and thereby lower dps. I'd rather have something unique and useful, and maybe something to bring our CA dps closer to that of bruisers.