Question on weapons due to DW changes - Page 3

Mimn · 10-02-2007, 02:58 PM

Ok its our favorite thing math... Why are the TC's so bad off is the fact of 2 things. Crit rate and weapon spread. Both calamties have a 1:3 ratio of like 32-97 (big tc) while the cudgel of pain and the hardshell baton have a aspect of 1:5 like 28-156. Not sure of the baton as of damage points that is for the cudgel but i know the baton has a 1:5 ratio.

Its a proven fact that slow weapons proc more and crit more and with the higher spread means bigger crits. I run in a group where i usually have a dirge and an Inq so stacking that with my other dps modifiers I went from tc's to cop and fob and my zw has popped up over 200 dps and with the baton it will go higher. I really want to see what the razor gauntlets/soulfire kama combo does. Also I am a full line Wis/Int spec and craneflock on mobs with the 2.5 delay is lethal.

Mimn · 10-02-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by killu

are you retarted or are you just retarted?
obviously you havnt heard of this thing called haste. umm yea see what it does is it changes the actuall delay of your weapons auto attack, the more haste you have the faster your weapon delay will become. therefore a 1sec delay wep doesnt have a true delay of 1sec, same with 2.5sec and so on. now since you supposedly play a monk, you have haste, try to factor that into your genius theory. once you have done so, then try to come back, with some rational explanation on this subject, and tell most other monks in this game, that know how to play their toon, how wrong they all are for choosing the wep setup they have, which makes them dps twice as much as you.

Sorry you make a valid point but when calling someone retarded it may help your case if you dont spell the point word wrong twice.

Pinski · 10-02-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mimn

Its a proven fact that slow weapons proc more and crit more and with the higher spread means bigger crits.

This is completely incorrect. Slower weapons do not proc more or crit more than any other weapons. It is just because of the larger max damage+ratio that causes them to be better weapons. Let me repeat, slower weapons do NOT proc more, nor do they crit more. You are less likely to delay your auto-attack by using a slower weapon if you time things properly, which is why they proc more, because you aren't losing as much time by delaying your swings.

Mimn · 10-02-2007, 04:06 PM

Ok i was wrong there but it does work out that you get more crits and procs with slower weapons because they are easier to time. Also i really dont see why people fret so much about baton furry. 3 of your ca's you can reduce the cast and recover times on as is. ((middle line monk eof )) a regular ca plus one of the middle 3 ca's on the cast and recover timers puts you faster then 2 regualr attacks with baton furry. IMHO agi line for monks is a waste of dps vs sta or full line wis int.

Also here is the math for the others .94+.56=1.5 time even with max haste at 125% (( i only see that when COB is called)) that pairs up the 2.5 perfectly without the loss of crane flock or the sta line proc. Now yeah you will get some .94 and .94 pairings but with the fast recast on rumbling wyrm i rarely have to pair 2 ca's of slower delay together.

killu · 10-03-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mimn

Sorry you make a valid point but when calling someone retarded it may help your case if you dont spell the point word wrong twice.

ouch, the grammar police strike again.
thanks for pointing that out, now im going to kill myself.

Blanka · 10-03-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by killu

ouch, the grammar police strike again.
thanks for pointing that out, now im going to kill myself.

down the street not across

Exeugi · 10-03-2007, 01:58 AM

Down the block, not across the street.

Fuck dude.

killu · 10-03-2007, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Blanka

down the street not across

at what time does your show air? and will i see your manboobs on your show?

Couch · 10-03-2007, 04:47 AM

The proc rate is normalized by weapon delay. In other word, the proc per minute of a faster and a slower weapons is the same.

For example, if the proc per minute is 1.8, the proc chance on a 3 sec delay weapon is 9% and the proc chance on a 2 sec delay weapon is 6%.

Tsukuwa · 10-05-2007, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuckle

--- Tsukuwa

In actuality if you queue your CAs up continuously you will never auto attack as CAs over-ride auto attack. In queue they are casting as soon as the recovery time of the previous CA is over, thus preventing any auto attack. I encourage you to test before you give advice.

As others have said you are completely wrong on this.

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Originally Posted by killu

are you retarted or are you just retarted?
obviously you havnt heard of this thing called haste. umm yea see what it does is it changes the actuall delay of your weapons auto attack, the more haste you have the faster your weapon delay will become. therefore a 1sec delay wep doesnt have a true delay of 1sec, same with 2.5sec and so on. now since you supposedly play a monk, you have haste, try to factor that into your genius theory. once you have done so, then try to come back, with some rational explanation on this subject, and tell most other monks in this game, that know how to play their toon, how wrong they all are for choosing the wep setup they have, which makes them dps twice as much as you.

You must be mental. You do realize that typing /weaponstats gives you the weapon delay an applies your CURRENT HASTE. The TC's are 1.0s delay AFTER SELF HASTE OF 129.

Man it would be one thing if you came in here and said I was wrong and just didn't understand what was said. But to come in here and call me retarded when you lack any realy reading or understand is just too funny.

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Originally Posted by Couch

The proc rate is normalized by weapon delay. In other word, the proc per minute of a faster and a slower weapons is the same.

For example, if the proc per minute is 1.8, the proc chance on a 3 sec delay weapon is 9% and the proc chance on a 2 sec delay weapon is 6%.

Correct.

Now understand I'm NOT saying TC's are better then other weapons. I used the TC's because self hasted they fall on and even second. What I am saying it if you have two weapons with the same ratio and one falls on and even second HASTED (for the reading impaired) and one that falls on an off second you will do more damage being able to spam your CA's then you would with one you either had to wait/time or just flat out lost auto-attacks due to spamming CA's.

Yes most of the best weapons in game are 2.5s delay. But being 2.5s delay isn't the reason they are the best weapons. So telling people a long delay weapon will give you more DPS is in most cases wrong. That was just my point. A 90DR 4 second two hand weapons is NOT better then a 120DR 2.5 second two hander.