Couch

Yes, you should have no problem holding aggro after 8sec on adds as long as it didn't mem wipe.

For nerfed peel:
1st, nerfed peel has only 2 sec longer than D&C and the reuse timer is 3 times of D&C. It's unbalanced.

2nd, highest hate over time means nothing when you can hold aggro without it. It's the same logic why you were bitching of bruiser epic. Now, you forgot what you did.

3rd, yes it is.And D&C is 15m rather than 10m. That's the only advantage I can think of.

4th. Again, who give it a shit when you can get aggro without it? It's pointless.

No, D&C is not most under powered skill, nerfed peel is. Seriously, your points of nerfed peel is highly biased. You should use the same logic when you criticized bruiser epic on nerfed peel.

Again, the extra hate and hate position shouldn't be the excuse of why the reuse timer of nerfed peel is 3 times of D&C.

gungo

Again you are completely ignoring the 30k hate and 4 hate positions....

I guess since hate and positional increases are uselss you never use rescue either.....(and this ability is better then rescue)

O wait we both know that is not true....




The bruiser epic is different people were complaining not because the hate gain is useless becuase it would help holding agro. Any idiot will see that. It is basically a rescue w/o positional increases. People as well as myself were complaining becuase it is not needed. It serves a purpose and role few bruisers have in raids from a raid weapon. Whats the point of a weapon that gives hate gain from a class that rarely tanks raids. That was the issue not the fact the effect is uselss.. again you are wrong.

Couch

When I can get aggro without 30k hate and 4 position on adds or named by altruism on named, yes it is useless.

Did I ever use rescue, yes i did when peel is off.

Just as what your logic is on bruiser epic, anyone will see that 30k and 4 positions helps aggro but it's not needed when you have no problem to get aggro without it.

gungo

Do you not know how to read?
How in the world could you fuck up reading what i just wrote. I did not say "hate was not needed when you have no problem to get aggro without it", i said hate is not needed because bruisers rarely tank. two completely and totaly different statements.

Ok we are halfway there couching.
If you could get agro without a "30k hate and 4 hate positions".
Why would you use rescue after peel?

Those 2 statements are contradictory.

You either can or can't.

The fact is you do use rescue to hold agro.

The fact is 8 secs on DC does not equal holding agro on adds for 30 seconds until they die.

The fact is 10secs and 30k hate and 4 hate positions with a 50m range, castable while moving, and 3 min recast is better then 8 sec, 0 hate, 0 positions, 15m range, uncastable while moving 1 min recast is not better.

Why because after 8 seconds of DC you will still cast rescue to hold agro. Just like you did after 1 min 30 seconds of peel.

except now you have an additional rescue every 3 minutes.

gungo

btw your rant on bruisers being better has already been addressed by the developers and he is saying the same fucking thing i am. Basically the dev said you are wrong.

Yes, D&C is still worse.
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Posted by aerilik:

Couching@Crushbone wrote:

Bruiser D&C is much better than nerfed Peel.

Nerfed peel only lasts 2 more sec than D&C but reuse timer is 3 times of D&C. It's unbalanced.

Divide and Conquer - short duration encounter lock to approximately half the encounter + small amount of hate gain to the encounter


Peel - short duration target lock + 4 hate position gain + a lot of hate over time and additional hate over time after it wears off.


Peel is still the better skill and its faster recast than rescue which is a hate position boost as well. Peel is basically designed to lock on you for a short duration and give you a big boost so you can get on top of the hate list. Divide an Conquer is more of a group taunt with the lock but nowhere near the hate gain of Peel. Since Peel is more like rescue with some bonuses its longer reuse time is justified.
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Couch

No, I am talking about main tanking pawbuster and twin. When peel is off, I use rescue to get pawbuster or twin on me.

Again, you are on the wrong point.

I said it very clear, for OFF TANK, D&C is better. You are debating with me when I am main tanking. How many times are monks main tank or off tank? 90% is off tank.

Last, Dev made the same mistake as what you did. If I am main tank 90% in the raid, I will happy with peel but I am not.

gungo

and i said you still use rescue on adds while OFFTANKING

the fact is the hate and positional increases are needed and are useful and are used even by you. Even though you say they are useless.

btw strikethrough is being nerfed too........
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It's on test along with a change to strikethrough so that it doesn't work on a dodge. We will get those added to the notes though
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Couch

When peel isn't up, why not? however, I don't use rescue and peel on the same add since adds got killed within 20-30 sec. So no, I have no problem to hold adds after casting snap aggro, I don't use rescue on the same add.

That's why D&C is so much better than peel for OFF TANK. You can use D&C 3 times for snap aggro and only 1 peel on add in the same time interval.

Stop saying that you have problem to hold aggro on adds after snaping aggro, if it is the case, you can't even be the off tank. Not to say, bruiser is the best class on single target aggro.

The realty is no matter monk or brusier, we have no problem to hold adds till it's dead after casting snap aggro on adds.

Splorch

Couching, heres from someone that uses the ability

it Fails about 4/9 times. Its range is incredibly short, You basically have to be within range of the mob to use drag on it, and when drag = 4 seconds it might as well be D&C except it cant fail.

If you think a bruiser can be like oh wow theres, an add, D&C to the rescue, well hes dead, hey theres another add. lets see... D&C! fail... oh crap the mob just crossed the room. Let me go grab on to his balls again... D&C! oh shit, failed again... oh no. dont kill my healers. oh oh... not the warlock. Oh damn, stop moving mob, I can't stay in fuckin range... Booya I got it... oh wait, the whole fucking raid is dead because I tried to use the most retarded ability ever.

If a bruiser is going to pull adds its fucking Drag > DPS and if drag is down its all up to fuckin Rescue. If at that point all you have is D&C, well your better off forgetting the ability is there because you'll never fucking land it consistently. And if you do go on an all out D&C spree, lets not forget that if someone nuked like a mother fucker while it was up they are going to die in the next 8 seconds anyways because your like I got it! I got it! He had it... I've got :D!

Couch

Both DC and Peel have same resistability, 21% harder at master 1. I know that DC got resist a lot since Peel got resist a lot as well.