DPS TANK IDEAS

Thajuggernaut · 05-11-2008, 05:27 AM

I posted something like this in the official forums but this is the sum of what i said:

Our str line is screwed .. we all know that ..its a great solo line for a class that is already amazing at soloing.
Our dps and tanking do not allow us to benefit the raid enough over other classes.
Im not saying we are bad at either but its obvious there are other classes that are better.

So i have an idea ive had floating around for a while.
Why not take our STR line and do something with it that reduced our tanking ability to that of a pure dps class but increases our dps Potential to that of other dps classes.
Something that is very important here is to balance us ...i pay my monthly fee like every other raider in this game .. why should i get shafted like this ?

EQ2flames has a much larger user base of skilled and intelligent players. So i wanna get the ball rolling on this .. i wanna see what if we can piece together realistic feedback about this to devs without having other classes screaming for us to get nerfed.

Elvbryn · 05-11-2008, 09:01 AM

one of these posts comes up every 2 or 3 months we discuss it come up with great ideas some body posts them on the official forums and it gets locked/ignored

and i dont know any brawlers that know how to play there class having trouble dpsing on raids If any thing they need to make that a tank line that does not require no weapons and gives +mitigation, more then a 5% riposte chance and chi

Traxor · 05-12-2008, 01:33 AM

At max raid gear the brawler class is perfectly on par at dps and tanking as they should be. Gear plays a much larger roll as a brawler vs other tank classes. Each upgrade equals leaps and bounds for advances in dps , servivability, and with our raid buff acting as a raid wide "Time compression" All you can ask is that we don't get continuously nurfed like Shadowknights. Our eqic weapon getting nurfed making strikethrough hugely less effective is one of the problems that was slightly corrected with Melee hit rates getting fixed.

Even in legendary RoK gear I can tank any instance put infront of me, with one healer. So with good vp/avatar gear brawlers shouldn't be adjusted at all. If partially geared (t1/t2 gear)brawlers saw a huge increase, then with upgrades in gear we would see as very small incrase our dps (as most mages are right now.) I for one do not want to see that to happen.

We did get unlucky that monks saw no set bonus worth getting from the VP set. Avatars drop a good amount of brawler accessable loot and now that they are killable you will see an influx in brawlers who will have access to that gear. (Wristplates, Tenth stone of zen, Reinment, stoneskin boots, all jewelry that other tanks can use)

I wrote this as I was thinking it in my head. Shoot me if I didnt go back and polish it for your enjoyment.

Trumak · 05-12-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Traxor

Avatars drop a good amount of brawler accessable loot and now that they are killable you will see an influx in brawlers who will have access to that gear. (Wristplates, Tenth stone of zen, Reinment, stoneskin boots, all jewelry that other tanks can use)

Wtb some drops plz =(

I really wish they would address the str line but I have given up. When they originally toyed with it I gave countless feedback but was surrounded by casuals saying they liked not having to buy weapons and role players who though it looked "neato". I personally would like to see it turned into a tanking build. Some mit, hard avoidance, and maybe an ae attack modifier.

Miresh · 05-12-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trumak

Wtb some drops plz =(

I really wish they would address the str line but I have given up. When they originally toyed with it I gave countless feedback but was surrounded by casuals saying they liked not having to buy weapons and role players who though it looked "neato". I personally would like to see it turned into a tanking build. Some mit, hard avoidance, and maybe an ae attack modifier.

Ridiculous. Your sensible ideas completely ruin that line as a viable way for me to role play my weapon-less, nudist monk. I totally think every class should have an AA line that makes it easy for poor/lazy/uneducated players. In fact, I think they need to add things to the STR line so I can get 60% avoidance and 60% mit if I am completely nude and weaponless. That would ... like ... totally pwn.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot, one ability should automatically upgrade all my spells to Adept II and apply all the handcrafted potion effects for that level, so I don't have to buy those either. That would make it really good for leveling, and I wouldn't always have to ask in the WW channel if +5 DA is better than +1 DPS.

curuw · 05-13-2008, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Miresh

Ridiculous. Your sensible ideas completely ruin that line as a viable way for me to role play my weapon-less, nudist monk. I totally think every class should have an AA line that makes it easy for poor/lazy/uneducated players. In fact, I think they need to add things to the STR line so I can get 60% avoidance and 60% mit if I am completely nude and weaponless. That would ... like ... totally pwn.

Edit: Oh, and I forgot, one ability should automatically upgrade all my spells to Adept II and apply all the handcrafted potion effects for that level, so I don't have to buy those either. That would make it really good for leveling, and I wouldn't always have to ask in the WW channel if +5 DA is better than +1 DPS.

YOU got my support !

undertow · 05-13-2008, 03:11 PM

honestly im pretty happy with my DPS/tanking situation. I give our raid MT avoidance and assist the OT when he cant handle it. I still dont have my mythical but once that happens there is no reason i shouldnt be OT. Not to mention while doing this i still put up between 3-3.5k ZW sometimes spiking at 4500.

Thajuggernaut · 05-14-2008, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Thajuggernaut

Our str line is screwed .. we all know that ..its a great solo line for a class that is already amazing at soloing.
Our dps and tanking do not allow us to benefit the raid enough over other classes.
Im not saying we are bad at either but its obvious there are other classes that are better.

So i have an idea ive had floating around for a while.
Why not take our STR line and do something with it that reduced our tanking ability to that of a pure dps class but increases our dps

This is the core of the original post. I didnt say i was having trouble dpsing and i didnt say i was having trouble tanking. What i was suggesting is a fix to this line. Something that will balance us as tanks (which i doubt will be implemented) or something that will up our dps so that we do more dps ... if your happy with the str line then you probably should consider a different game as the complexities of basic math will elude you forever.

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honestly im pretty happy with my DPS/tanking situation. I give our raid MT avoidance and assist the OT when he cant handle it. I still dont have my mythical but once that happens there is no reason i shouldnt be OT. Not to mention while doing this i still put up between 3-3.5k ZW sometimes spiking at 4500.

This has absolutely no mention or discussion of the the str aa line.
Gotta read the post before you reply ... i know its hard ...

Elvbryn · 05-14-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Thajuggernaut

This is the core of the original post. I didnt say i was having trouble dpsing and i didnt say i was having trouble tanking.

and that is why soe wont fix shit and will leave the RPers and lazy players happy

vcjester · 05-15-2008, 12:52 AM

I personally don't understand why anyone bitched about being able to use the str line with weapons..... I think they just couldn't think of anything else to bitch about so they bitched about that.

Let the effects happen with our without weapons and if they wanna bitch I got a big ol' pair of shorts full of STFU they can cram in there mouth.

The only way we'll ever be able to dps like a scout class is if they make us scouts. Otherwise the current scouts will have epeen comparison issues and flop on the floor, pound there fists and bawl like babies till the devs nerf us back just to shut them up. I've seen enough posts from the scouts/casters bitching about something that makes them scared we will be stepping on there toes in the parse...