Blanka

We can master 2 our avoid buff now?

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damager

Ok blanka lay off the caffiene bro your making me laugh to hard.

I stated the simple mechanics behind the monk and bruiser which I dont think anyone can argue and hasnt yet. The simple difference between the two classes is the monks have haste and smaller CA's and bruiser has larger CA's and lower haste pure and simple. Large hits in a fast fight produce higher dps then very quick (way faster) smaller hits no rocket science behind that either. That is the major difference between the two classes plain and simple.

Yes when you are in a uber guild where everyone has mythicals , VP/TSO raid gear the haste is all over the freakin place it doesnt meen much, these guilds represent about 10% of the raid guilds on the unrest server. My guild is a bunch of middle aged drunks that have a great time getting on a couple nights a week and do a raid, Yes I have been in the palace and you seen my parse on trash and what you didnt realize is we didnt kill a single freakin named LOL! Hell only 4 people in the guild have a mythical yet I crack down 6-7k parses on the little bastards wearing 95% instance gear. Nope not a single stich of VP or TSO RAID armor on this 7k parsing monky and have never been buffed to 200 of anything other then haste hell im happy to get buffed to 100 on anything, you just showed me when I get my two expansions worth of raid gear ill do pretty well.

You wanna see a normal PuG group in CoA on my server? what kinda massive AD3 group haste buffs you think im rockin in this group LOL! No 200 haste for a bruiser to be found here.

Baron Yosig: (00:15) 235815 | 15721.00 [Damager-Desolating Fist-7622]
Damager 99133 | 6608.87
(conj) 34837 | 2322.47
(Necro) 34086 | 2272.40
(Fury) 29435 | 1962.33
(Pally) 23524 | 1568.27
(Troub) 14800 | 986.67



This brings up another scary thing about LU51 the damn pallies arent gonna have amends anymore, I loved havin amends on me with my taunts on aint nothin pullin aggro from them if they are half way descent.

Rowrkin

LOL every bruiser i have met i killed in DPS, and tanking. Dueling i have yet to loose a duel to anyone but my guild leader who play's a brig extremly well for i have beaten other brigs and a Guardian who is friend of mine who is geared out to the tits. But again i have easily killed other guardians. Monks > Bruisers. Unless you don't know how to play yer class. And i'm finding that to be the case at most times.

Couch

The 10 ppm in def stance is a hate proc, it's not damage. We don't have damage proc in def stance but you have.

Our lv60 avoidance has 9% hate transfer rather than 10%. It's good to have for agro control. But if considering the 0.5 multiplier on auto attack in def stance, and most of monk dps is auto attack, our dps dropped a lot more than bruiser in percentage.

After checking both classes single/aoe taunt, off and def stances, clearily, bruiser is the aoe tank in brawler and monk is single target tank in brawler. You got more aoe dps and aoe hate. Monk got more single target hate, proc and a hate transfer.

Before the change, bruiser owns monk in both single target and aoe agro. After the change, I think monk will own bruiser in single target agro and it is reasonable since it is what we are supposed to be in soe's map.

Here is a simple question: do you wana be the aoe tank or single target tank in TSO. The answer is clear.

Blanka

Posting a 15 second parse in COA does absolutely nothing to validate any point you might have. You don't know jack shit about mechanics and your posts prove it. Bruisers raid with the same haste as us, haste means nothing, get it? You think you know what you are talking about but you are so fucking wrong. Here is a suggestion, shut up, listen, learn, then learn some more then maybe you might have half a clue.

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Blanka

Honestly I think its too soon right now to answer this question. No doubt more changes are coming. Bruiser is still in better shape anyways.

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gungo

You still dont see it do you 10ppm for double the hate or 1.8ppm for less hate and a decreased manhandle proc from live. When in defeneisve and losing 30% + of your dps a 230damage proc that goes off less then 2x a minute doesnt mean shit its less then 7 dps. When in defensive no one cares about 7 dps. You will still produce 10x more hate then a bruiser due to that proc.

With the consolidation they changed alot of master 2 choises congratulations you can master 2 your avodi buff now and make it 10% transfer.

comparing stances monk have more aoe hate and single target hate, comparing dps monk has more aoe hate and single target hate, comparing transfers and taunts monk has more aoe hate and single target hate. comparing aoe spells bruisers have savage bruising which is more aoe dps then the monk equivilsnt. But the difference is so minor monks have more aoe hate. Put 10% threat transfer on a warlock raidwide weee more aoe agro.

keep trying but no mater how you compare it monks having a better proc rate and damage and additional haste over a bruiser in all 3 stances is completely broken. Hell monks having the hgihest threat transfer in game is prolly something SOE missed. If you want aoe agro or single target agro you go monk now. If you want single target dps you go monk now (arguable still until testing).
Single target dps between brawlers was fairly close before this change on live. And i said before bruiser was better but now monks got a major boost w a better offensive proc. Bruisrrs got thier procs nerfed and lost manhandle proc in off and mid. You still think after these changes with bruisers losing ~75-100dps while monks gained ~100+ dps. That a bruiser will outdps a monk. I doubt it unless the bruiser is either a better player or better geared.

I dont care abotu the monk tranfer or thier proc rates. All i am saying is they need to fix the disparity between bruisers and every other fighter, Because right now they need to make the bruiser def proc proc 10ppm. They need to make my mid stance proc 4.0 ppm and they need to make my offesive proc 9.0ppm to balance the changes from live and test. Basically those numbers are either the same proc rate monks got or the bruisers proc rate from live with the same proc added given to other fighters added to the bruisers proc from live. I am not asking for anything extra i am asking for the same courtesy given every other fighter on beta instead of a nerf of what i had on live.

damager

Last time I looked this topic was on bruiser vs monk in several different roles blanka however has lost touch with reality and thinks the whole game is on high end raiding, and the post proves not all groups or raids are gonna max haste for shit and is an asset to the class in several roles.

I dont know shit on their mechanics please contradict the difference in haste and CA's of each class without external buffs from anyone or procs from gear the true mechanics of the class please, I wanna hear how Im completely wrong which would make bruisers have high haste and monks have higher CAs and lower haste LOL! ok we know you cant but still funny watchin ya try and convince people you have a clue as it stands right now you look to me as someone that only knows to get into raid and people buff the shit outa ya and you mash buttons lol! Hey call some more people their dumb asses someone might actualy think you have a clue as for me you havent said anything productive or conclusive outside of monk being in an uber raid force.

Blanka

You argument is people don't raid with certain buffs or certain gear mine is if the playing is absolutely level with gear bruiser has more dps potential.

Lets put it this way, name a support class any class. Troub - haste buff better for bruisers...dirge dps buff + chimes better for bruiser...illy haste buff better for bruiser...coercer dps buff even.

Do you get it? +ca better for bruiser, + haste better for bruiser, + dps is even.

Are you saying that we solo dps better then bruiser? Because solo fights for me are usually so quick I don't get through all my ca's so it is probably the same for a bruiser. And soloing a herioc, most heroics and tough fights I might cycle through my ca's 2 to 4 times otherwise I am probably dead, but the bruiser will have gone through their cycle as well. You have nothing to stand on here, you simply play a monk and want it to be better. Want doesn't make it true. This is not even factoring in tanking mechanics where a bruiser is arguably the top tank in the game right now.

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gungo

how is dps buffs better for bruisers? And you do realize chimes procs on every atk so wouldnt a monk at capped haste land more hits and thus chime proc more for a monk? Ya we can get use of more haste on live but wtf do you get us gaining more from dps and other buffs. right now haste is just a buff monks do not even worry about where bruisers need to focus on thats really the only difference. I need to wear the crimson ascot whereas couching can throw on the ethernaut neck and have more dps potential.