Monk parse thread

[Couch]

Analyzing parses, sharing ideas of how to improve dps is the purpose of this thread instead of e-peen show-off. Nice posts guys, keep it coming.

[damager]

Your calculating that you parsed 9300 one time without it and 9700 with it. That sir is a horable excuse for situational based testing. Take your dps - Melee and - proc's and add 10 percent. Now if you listen to the fun fact i gave about Casting order priority over certain CA's then your parse will naturally start to inflate on the CA side. Obviously making the choker more effective then what you are giving it currently. The more strategical you are with your gameplay even if it is as small as Knowing the eta of when stuff will be up and prioritizing what you should cast. Not rather what is up and "as long as im hitting something im good" Then you will get your parse close to Couching or Blanka. I know this because i used to be in a high end guild and i was one of the highest parsing monks ww. I just give tips retired now. Proc's being nurfed hurt a lot btw id retest your ethernaughts and realize that your second parse could have been lower without the choker then your last one because you were sucking. Calculating it just as 400 dps is bad. 400 dps per 1 piece of gear is good actually. if you have a proc that gets 400 dps its more then most of your ca's period.

Just a fun fact last expansion avatar chest piece proc added extra ca damage over the cap to a ca. So i would wait to cast five rings and only cast it when that proc was up(It was up most of the time) When i casted 5 rings i got a 100% crit rate and i also got 5 hits for around 2500 each. Now thats like a 12k hit. You are now seeing 3k hits for 5 rings and you get an aa that adds one hit to 5 rings. That sir is like a hit around 14.5 if you use buffs and CA timing besides knowing essential game mechanic knowledge

For those trying to learn here the fun fact is.... You can not simply add 10%, thats only 1/4 of the problem, when you remove +5 crit from from your autoattack and CA (ganak's torque) and replace it with 10% CA only theres way more math involved. Now this could have a huge effect to no effect based on the amount of crit you have to begin with (unknown variable is what us engineers call this) secondly , the ZW is from last night which is post proc nerf which had very little effect on me compared to someone like couch. I have no ethernauts neck piece (see, no proc in 19 fights) also he has procs that total over 1000dps which I dont even know where those come from (again 19 fights you dont see those procs and assume they are from others buffing so not good for comparison of monks ability but comparison of raid in a whole which also throws out the % of autoattack vs % procs/CA dmg to see if timing is right as you would have to remove those first). Now compairing ethernauts you would have to bring in the dps proc, +2 crit, and DA proc which could be huge to a monk with say only 30 DA compared to 10% to CA's only from the choker.

Testing DPS with different equipment is situational as my group/raid force is never the same so I took avg's 5 fights no choker, 5 fights with ect same buffs same groups which is why my ZW is way lower then my top parse as I was swapping for multiple fights and waiting between for all CAs to be up for the first fight after changing.

I dont rank on any WW monk lists (sub 100 WW in all catagories prolly) So common sense would tell ya theres nothing that can be said in order of CAs and timing that is gonna make me parse up like couch and blanka.

My parses are from raid group who has never even attempted an avatar, and is only just passing snake in ToMC LOL! the average player that isnt maxed crit/DA and buffed to the guill. Hell we are lucky to get a mythed dirge in raid LOL! Battle cry and shit are outa the question and im still comin up to 10k dps spikes on a monk without following AA spec listed on this forum. which I still disagree with *shrug*.

Couch I look forward to seeing your parses as u get new gear cause I have somethin to shoot for when Im outa the legendary and T2 shard armor.

[Traxor]

Originally Posted by damager

For those trying to learn here the fun fact is.... You can not simply add 10%, thats only 1/4 of the problem, when you remove +5 critSee back in RoK we had this problem that was awful. We raided day after day getting shitty loot. Then devs put is this Proc to a leather gi from VP that amazingly proc'd 50% melee crit in test but was quickly reduced to like 35% . I might have had this thing like 2 days before i got the avatar chest. Which in fact proc'd 50% melee and made all my ca's punch your mother square in the vagina and mad me have around 130 crit. That tangled with the constant 15 second proc from the Jewl double attack and dps mod was covered. I was buffing around 70 melee crit and around 69 double attack. Idk honestly about you. I honestly assumed with another tier like when i played from KoS through EoF. That the gear upgrades when an expansion came out but lacked a level raise the gear was not only far superior it gave gear options like replacing our shitty class forarms or shoulders. Im sure your blaming this whole dps thing on your lack of gear im sure but I can tell you honestly - Gear is not making Couching or Blanka Parse 3 or 4k higher then you sir. It might be a few K. But you need to rethink your playing style and be comfortable with change. You obviously are not. This doesn't fly in a competitive high end guild where you are expected to not only be the top of your class. You are expected to be parsing a little lower to a little more then your guilds rogues who are also the top at their class. from from your auto attack and CA (ganak's torque) and replace it with 10% CA only there's way more math involved. Now this could have a huge effect to no effect based on the amount of crit you have to begin with (unknown variable is what us engineers call this) secondly , the ZW is from last night which is post proc nerf which had very little effect on me compared to someone like couch. I have no ethernauts neck piece I might be mistaken honestly I didnt play this expansion but isnt this thing quested.... I remember in kos if you didnt have the only neck item in the game that was quested because it had crit on it you were a moron. But this is why im asking. Isn't this quested?(see, no proc in 19 fights) also he has procs that total over 1000dps which I dont even know where those come from (again 19 fights you dont see those procs and assume they are from others buffing so not good for comparison of monks ability but comparison of raid in a whole which also throws out the % of autoattack vs % procs/CA dmg to see if timing is right as you would have to remove those first). Now compairing ethernauts you would have to bring in the dps proc, +2 crit, and DA proc which could be huge to a monk with say only 30 DA compared to 10% to CA's only from the choker. The eithernaughts proc doesnt override the Jewl proc i Garentee you on that. Since the Jewl is up so frequently you really should make gear arrangements where your crit and DA are getting over 100% and when you do this and there is the slightest possiblity you will mess up your timing. NEVER FUCKING HIT A CA. Your melee is hitting for like 3k- 5k, Its hitting basically at the same time and its double attacking. You messing up this timeing i garentee unless its 5 rings and you have 115% crit or more will lower your dps

Testing DPS with different equipment is situational as my group/raid force is never the same so I took avg's 5 fights no choker, 5 fights with ect same buffs same groups which is why my ZW is way lower then my top parse as I was swapping for multiple fights and waiting between for all CAs to be up for the first fight after changing. I can speak for many monks here that read this board. Everything plays into parsing. Attention. Hell most of us eat while we play. Group settups can be the same. Gear doesn't change. Yet sometimes we have an outstanding zonewide over our recent attempts. Never think that your playing is constant. You have good days and bad days. You have days where you really dont give a shit. And you have days where you do. Yet you still don't preform.

I dont rank on any WW monk lists (sub 100 WW in all catagories prolly) So common sense would tell ya theres nothing that can be said in order of CAs and timing that is gonna make me parse up like couch and blanka. I can tell sir that you just hit what ever buttons and you are set in stone that casting order doesn't matter. Well if you want to be good it does. Hate to break it to ya

My parses are from raid group who has never even attempted an avatar, and is only just passing snake in ToMC LOL! the average player that isnt maxed crit/DA and buffed to the guill. Hell we are lucky to get a mythed dirge in raid LOL! Battle cry and shit are outa the question and im still comin up to 10k dps spikes on a monk without following AA spec listed on this forum. which I still disagree with *shrug*.I spiked 10k parses in Rok. In fact i zone wide trash in Leviathan for 8k when the best assassin WW went 10k. I think i got like 7.3 or 7.8 in PR hell. If you want to look for every single way to up your parse dont decide that the top parsing monk ww is unbeatable. Or tell yourself that theses small tips added up mean nothing. Thats just foolish

Couch I look forward to seeing your parses as u get new gear cause I have somethin to shoot for when Im outa the legendary and T2 shard armor.

[damager]

LOL! I to sir without a stitch of VP gear and no mythical was popping 6-7k spikes in PR, you did nothin special and shoulda stopped right there after saying "See back in RoK we had " Oh we arent parsin against ROK mobs anymore hell monks easily tank mobs like Pawbuster in PuGs these days.

Im not much for flaming but you contradict yourself way to much. Yes gear has a crp load to do with it unless you had the magic monk that had 70crit and 68DA naked which the rest of us dont have. You obviously also missed where I said he is getting 1k worth of non monk procs that I can not get and that he is getting buffed by other high end raiders and mobs are getting debuffed by other high end raiders and yes that will most definetly create a 4k parse spread.

No the ethernauts is not quested, it is a collection item and unless you have 300pp to buy the pieces its all about luck winning the rolls when it drops.

As you can see from my ZW I out parse everyone accept our assassin, no problem meeting your expectations.

Im glad you think it was all your skill that got you to parse high, must be interesting thinking so highly of yourself but the fact is the debuffs and buffs from other raiders in your force had quite a bit to do with it. Do you think Couch's timing of CA's created the 1k dps worth of non monk proc's? Yup that might also be why we wield the same weapons yet his atiattack hits for 200dps more on average also. Your advice is based on a maxed geared / buffed monk and raid force which I am not and neither is 90% of the player base, you might wanna try creating a monk without joining a raid guild and let us see those 12k parses with your instance gear.

Yup, I can see that big ass autoattack timer in the center of the Profit UI screen, Nothin special here on timing stop preaching theres somethin special all of us are scatching our heads wondering why you think its somethin hard to do, hell there isnt even skill involved hit CA before timer hits the end let it hit the end and hit CA. If you think I am button mashishing and hitting high 9k parses on TSO x4's you have way to much faith in the monk class.

In fact i zone wide trash in Leviathan for 8k when the best assassin WW went 10k

You must really think Couch and Blanka suck their no where near top parsin assassins and wizzies lol!

Oh choker has no increase to proc base damage.

[Traxor]

Originally Posted by damager

LOL! I to sir without a stitch of VP gear and no mythical was popping 6-7k spikes in PR, you did nothin special and shoulda stopped right there after saying "See back in RoK we had " Oh we arent parsin against ROK mobs anymore hell monks easily tank mobs like Pawbuster in PuGs these days.

Im not much for flaming but you contradict yourself way to much. Yes gear has a crp load to do with it unless you had the magic monk that had 70crit and 68DA naked which the rest of us dont have. You obviously also missed where I said he is getting 1k worth of non monk procs that I can not get and that he is getting buffed by other high end raiders and mobs are getting debuffed by other high end raiders and yes that will most definetly create a 4k parse spread.

No the ethernauts is not quested, it is a collection item and unless you have 300pp to buy the pieces its all about luck winning the rolls when it drops.

As you can see from my ZW I out parse everyone accept our assassin, no problem meeting your expectations.

Im glad you think it was all your skill that got you to parse high, must be interesting thinking so highly of yourself but the fact is the debuffs and buffs from other raiders in your force had quite a bit to do with it. Do you think Couch's timing of CA's created the 1k dps worth of non monk proc's? Yup that might also be why we wield the same weapons yet his atiattack hits for 200dps more on average also. Your advice is based on a maxed geared / buffed monk and raid force which I am not and neither is 90% of the player base, you might wanna try creating a monk without joining a raid guild and let us see those 12k parses with your instance gear.

Yup, I can see that big ass autoattack timer in the center of the Profit UI screen, Nothin special here on timing stop preaching theres somethin special all of us are scatching our heads wondering why you think its somethin hard to do, hell there isnt even skill involved hit CA before timer hits the end let it hit the end and hit CA. If you think I am button mashishing and hitting high 9k parses on TSO x4's you have way to much faith in the monk class.



You must really think Couch and Blanka suck their no where near top parsin assassins and wizzies lol!

Oh choker has no increase to proc base damage.

See im not bashing you I just feel that someone who wont look at something in a different perspective who is trying to parse higher is a pathetic waste of time. If me thinking this and trying to help you is me being "Contradicting??" Then you really aren't looking at my perspective at all. I was tanking avatars and all of vp , trakanon, fuck everything except the hardest avatars. I know you dont think monks can tank probably and you also think like 12 pieces of awesomeness gear will make you able to parse 10k higher or tank. Healers and using your skills in a situational based style is how you tank. Even after i got the "new" stoneskin boots. Either they never proc'd or i wouldn't get hit for enough damage.


Open your fucking eyes. Any monk who posts on here is like... UH, I have Shard gear??...... Your guild can clear fucking vp. You can at least take your shitty guild, Say ok guys lets get the lazy ass people their mythicals!! and go get these fucking items. You telling me that you can do all this shit from last expansion is just helping my argument. Honestly i thought it was implied that you can do all of that shit now easily. But you want to brag about tanking pawbuster like its a huge deal. Or your wasting my time by posting your ignorance so don't give me the. Uh i don't have vp gear. "Speech". Ill just save you the time and tell you no one cares. This Crutch people use about gear is very annoying. Couch and blanka fucking know how much dps gear involves. That's why they get fucking sick of you people posting. They can see your gear on the eq2players.com website. We fucking know if you are parsing correctly

[Couch]

Originally Posted by Traxor

Ill just go ahead and tell you . You should get in a more melee buffed group. And you need to get more damage out of your CA's. Your pretty low on both.

I see blanka getting like 6k dps off melee alone. All your ca's and procs should be just under or just a little over that.

Just fyi, blanka were grouped with coercer with 6 set pieces and dirge with 6 set pieces. He has 200+ dps ,haste and 20% accuracy. Also, coercers with 6 pieces have extra 5 melee crit bonus from pants and +10% CA and spell base damage as 6 set bonus.

That's why he got really high on both auto attack and CA damages. For most monks, it's impossible to get the same group and buffage.

In TSO group setup, coercer with 6 set is way better than illy with 6 set for monk.

[damager]

That's why he got really high on both auto attack and CA damages. For most monks, it's impossible to get the same group and buffage.

That is my exact point right there, no matter how well you play your monk you aint gonna parse like that in a lesser guild raid force.

See im not bashing you I just feel that someone who wont look at something in a different perspective who is trying to parse higher is a pathetic waste of time.

Dude by all means say somethin constructive I always listen, you just havent said anything useful or that I dont already do. (seriously just write a single paragraph post saying exactly what would increase my dps no bullshit, no oppinions just straight facts) Your math was wrong period, You now say gear has nothin to do with it but then try and say choker should do more then 400dps? Whats the point of you even comparing gear man from your perspective we should all just get mastercrafted and top the parse. Sounds straight contradicting to me.

My profile is open bro, check the gear and come back and tell me how if I put my CAs in the right order and timed them you would be doin 15k hahaha! Yup im sure everyone on here is runnin Legendary and T2 pieces poppin 12k+ oh wait no one with that gear is LOL maybe no one is listening to ya?

Get on show us some parses or I have to think your talkin out your ass.

Maybe I should use sarcasm signs for ya, You brought up ROK and I let ya know PUGs are runnin it with monk tanks to let ya know your time is irrelavent. (PUG = pickup groups = easy mode) Yeah Im sure you was the MT of your raid guild tell us how superior monk tanks are compared to the plates LOL! Oh and let me know how I can get 70% Mit since Plates can get 70% avoid that would be useful or how to get that amends for monks cause my 1 AoE taunt just aint gettin it. (funny as hell watching backstabbers try and chain while im tab targeting through the adds though) <-- Heres your sign

I know you dont think monks can tank probably and you also think like 12 pieces of awesomeness gear will make you able to parse 10k higher or tank

Seriously man if you dont think your gear helps you tank I dont even know what to say? Wait yeah your time is seriously gone LOL! theres this thing called crit mit now you better have it or your 1 shotted! Been there done that.

[Traxor]

Originally Posted by damager

That is my exact point right there, no matter how well you play your monk you aint gonna parse like that in a lesser guild raid force.



Dude by all means say somethin constructive I always listen, you just havent said anything useful or that I dont already do. (seriously just write a single paragraph post saying exactly what would increase my dps no bullshit, no oppinions just straight facts) Your math was wrong period, You now say gear has nothin to do with it but then try and say choker should do more then 400dps? Whats the point of you even comparing gear man from your perspective we should all just get mastercrafted and top the parse. Sounds straight contradicting to me.

My profile is open bro, check the gear and come back and tell me how if I put my CAs in the right order and timed them you would be doin 15k hahaha! Yup im sure everyone on here is runnin Legendary and T2 pieces poppin 12k+ oh wait no one with that gear is LOL maybe no one is listening to ya?

Get on show us some parses or I have to think your talkin out your ass.

Maybe I should use sarcasm signs for ya, You brought up ROK and I let ya know PUGs are runnin it with monk tanks to let ya know your time is irrelavent. (PUG = pickup groups = easy mode) Yeah Im sure you was the MT of your raid guild tell us how superior monk tanks are compared to the plates LOL! Oh and let me know how I can get 70% Mit since Plates can get 70% avoid that would be useful or how to get that amends for monks cause my 1 AoE taunt just aint gettin it. (funny as hell watching backstabbers try and chain while im tab targeting through the adds though) <-- Heres your sign




Seriously man if you dont think your gear helps you tank I dont even know what to say? Wait yeah your time is seriously gone LOL! theres this thing called crit mit now you better have it or your 1 shotted! Been there done that.

Mobs have been one shotting people for much longer then your claiming. I know this because I speak from experience and a driving ego that cannot be discouraged or challenged for that matter.

I said this already you should go read it... Its so easy to understand its like telling you to breath. Suck this shit in.

How to dps
GROUPS:

A)
Never bash your raid. You fall into the group of people that are asking for a * put by their name for possibly being better but not having a way to prove it. Its life it sucks.

B)
recruit fucking classes and do these easy ass zones to get mythicals- mr. Pick up raids do ROK. Your helping my argument by not only bashing your guild but telling me that you chose to raid with a guild who wont build a force that can make PvE easier.

GEAR:

Balance - Constructively this is obvious. ask around or something. I usually figure out this by myself . I ask questions and I don't bash people who use it without having certain knowledge about it.

CA usage:

Your not going to read this because you don't think squeezing 200 dps from multiple locations is worth changing your playing style slightly


Your one of 2 people Rather you like it or not

The ones that will do anything to dps a little higher over time to be great.

And the ones that completely couldn't care less because whether eat dinner during raids and enjoy company or they don't really feel the game is about competition they believe its about accomplishment.

You can call me wrong. I don't care

[damager]

Uhmm, yeah so what your saying is you have nothing factual or constructive and your right because you say you are. Thanks for waisting more space in this forum.

P.s. What the hell are you talking about?

[Operation]

...but it looks like you'll have to go to the bruiser forum if you want to discuss it.