Monk parse thread - Page 4

Couch · 03-18-2009, 04:19 PM

I have 5 points on EoF five rings aa and 1 point on TSO five rings aa for 1 extra hit.

You have a lot less hit on five rings, beside spec, your casting order may be one of the causes.

Apheod · 03-18-2009, 05:04 PM

whats your casting order? i usually get my debuffs in first, then rising dragon followed by five rings, then the 2 low recast cas then on to the longer recast ones. but i still hit five rings everytime its up, i dont see how hitting it a few seconds later at the beginning of every fight could account for 100+ dps from that one ca.

i may try tossing a point into it and see how it works out. would you recommend sticking with just the one point?

Couch · 03-18-2009, 05:30 PM

It's unworthy to toss more than 1 point on TSO fellow up aa even in dps setting. The benefit from extra aa is marginal at best.

For casting order, I like to cast it first if i am in offensive. It's our biggest damage CA. Based on your post, you cast debuffs first, (mitigation debuff, casting speed debuff and defense debuff ?), and rising dragon before five rings. Considering you cast CAs between auto attack, it means you didn't cast five rings until 7-8 sec after fight started.

It makes sense of why five rings on your parse is only 3/4 of mine due to casting order. Since I cast it on the beginning of fight vs 7-8 sec after fight started, in averge, I cast five rings a lot more often than you did.

Apheod · 03-18-2009, 06:34 PM

oh, and in my dps gear i have 86% crit and 46% da self buffed.

Blanka · 03-18-2009, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch

It's unworthy to toss more than 1 point on TSO fellow up aa even in dps setting. The benefit from extra aa is marginal at best.

For casting order, I like to cast it first if i am in offensive. It's our biggest damage CA. Based on your post, you cast debuffs first, (mitigation debuff, casting speed debuff and defense debuff ?), and rising dragon before five rings. Considering you cast CAs between auto attack, it means you didn't cast five rings until 7-8 sec after fight started.

It makes sense of why five rings on your parse is only 3/4 of mine due to casting order. Since I cast it on the beginning of fight vs 7-8 sec after fight started, in averge, I cast five rings a lot more often than you did.

It depends on the timing of the fights. For example even when I open with 5r I am only getting 2 off because my fights don't last long enough. However, since your fights are over 40 secs, probably 45-50 secs if you use 5r within the first 5 secs you can get 3 off per fight.

jrolla · 03-19-2009, 01:49 AM

group was guard, inquis, boxed no myth adept 3 dirge, swash and illy/coercer (each spent 50% of the time in my group)
i didnt have IA or battle cry (dirge is an alt). I wore dps gear, choker, jewel of animosity, myth and void knuckles. tank spec with altruism (at the expense of STR line DA/deflection chance)
about 80 crit and 45 DA before procs

wiped once from accidentally pulling first named early. also, had to restart act because it was bugging out, so about 5 trash encounters form the entrance are missing.

edit: i have 2 piece tso raid set and raid dps was ~117K so i was ~13%

Blanka · 03-19-2009, 02:02 AM

Your auto attack timing is good, but you have alot of room to fit in more CA's.

jrolla · 03-19-2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blanka

Your auto attack timing is good, but you have alot of room to fit in more CA's.

interesting analysis, i seem to wait for CA's to refresh often and do 1 ca b/w AA. i was thinking of macroing stifling palm and five rings cuz i max reduced their cast time from EoF tree

Blanka · 03-19-2009, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jrolla

interesting analysis, i seem to wait for CA's to refresh often and do 1 ca b/w AA. i was thinking of macroing stifling palm and five rings cuz i max reduced their cast time from EoF tree

Only reason I say it is because 70% auto dmg is probably a bit too high. This could be from a number of things though, not enough +ca no CA increaser or not hitting your CA's enough.

Blanka · 03-19-2009, 02:25 AM

Mephetic asked me a good question in game just now. He was wondering how I figure these things it. Its pretty simple and not exact just general rounding and shit. Take for example his total swings on his main hand and divide it by his fight time. You get 70 swings per minute. Assuming at capped haste we are doing roughly 40 swings per minute the max we could do would be 80 swings per minute with capped DA no flurry. So anyways he doesnt have his DA aa's and no IA or BC buff and he's hitting 70 swings a minute shows he's not missing auto attacks.

EDIT: Its obviously not an exact science but gives a bit of a picture.