KFizzle

Ok I'm asking cause i got em both. I know the Drape would be nice on aoe fights, i'm high right now not stupid (lol) but what i'm wondering is on single target fights what would probably be better. I could probably test both but with other variables, and my lack of higher mathematics skills it would be nothing more than a guess from me (might not be much of a difference for all i know).

Trax, Blanka, Crabb, Couching, even that loser Jacck :-), Somebody school me.

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Crabbok

I don't have the drape yet, but honestly the only thing good about it in terms of raiding is the crit bonus. The proc won't always be up, and if it does proc, the chances of it being up during the time the mob dies.... and the chances that that mob is close to other AoE mobs... is minimal. there are probably 5 fights in all of TSO that the drape MIGHT be useful for. If you are farming mass loads of mobs solo.. then maybe try the drape. You know what I'm talking about right? when you toss on all your mutagenic burst gear, equip the Hood of Chaotic Manipulation... and pull all kinds of mobs, hoping to powerlevel someone, or just get kill updates... I can see it being good in that aspect... So really all you gain is the crit bonus which isn't bad, just know that the proc is junk for raiding.

Now I would easily value the shroud of all forms over the drape due to the versatility. It's got some descent DPS stats as well as the killer 3% base mitigation. It's win win and always good.

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Azarath

The drape would be good for certain ae fights, and probably for pure dps since isn't 2 mcb>75 ca for brawlers? But if you're tanking the one from mmb is definitely more defensive.

KFizzle

Well i know for defensive purposes the MMB one is better, but i meant for purely offensive purposes (because as every monk knows we've gotta have gear for like every fucking little change in order to be most fucking effective, i like it yet get frustrated for having so much fucking different gear!). Crabb though i think mighta ended all debate already though. There definitely are some fights the Ice Knives thing would be nice (i think that might be beast on Uktap) but yeah its probably real situational. I spent some decent DKP for it but theres not much more that i have to bid against others for of the stuff we're killing ATM (bangle of blood symphony is one, but it hasnt dropped much and i think i still have more DKP than anyone who needs it left. The Gozak helm is another thing i need but no one to bid against for it so ill get that min bid when it drops the brawler helm).

Thanks Crabby, and yeah i knew whatcha meant about the mutagenic burst gear etc (stupid burning lavastud never drops, and i need another charm of the lost for my Monk, got one on my zerk with all his burst gear).

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Jacck

Well, from various people that I have talked to, not all aoe proc's stack. I haven't had a chance to test this out personally, but I know Mutagenic burst didnt stack with certain others (not sure if the recent hotfix fixed this, i know Mutagenic burst was altered tho). I could think of a couple fights that the Drape would be nice, like Tyrannus if you are working the waves of adds (die fast though, so limited use), Field General, but same problem with Tyrannus, since the adds die so fast, not much use. I might not use it for almost, well, any raid fights, but for instances like CoA (Befallen), I would love to see the damage effect of Mutagenic, Gozak helm, Drape and whatever else i can scrounge up when pulling 30 different things. Oh, and if you decide to Multi pull (i.e. 3 scouts and 2 tanks go out and find lots of mobs) the entrance of Palace, then it would be nice hehe.

But, one the question presented, single target fights, I would stay with the All Forms, mostly because you never know what might happen. For trash tho, go for it.

Mr. Fiz, please, come to my loser school, you have been absent for a few days .

Crabbok

For the record, Frostburn is the proc that doesn't stack. It actually overwrite mutagenic burst, yet they do modify each other's damage. Frostburn boosts the bursts 50%, whereas mutagenic only boosts the burst 33%, but Frostburn is jacked up because it's chance is not modifiable, where mutagenic burst's proc chance can be modified.

Just food for thought since the frostburn earring drops from the same named that drops the drape of ice knives.

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Traxor

Without doing any testing. Looking at pure stats, Raid situations, If you in all offensive spec's, Gear, Stances and such use the drape of ice knives. Any other, Use the Shroud combo. OT/MT, heroic instance, Standing afk somewhere or while logged off. I think if your a crafter you might want to change in that sense but man i wish I had that combo rigbht now.

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KFizzle

Wait Trax, what are you saying you think the Ice Knives cloak is better 'pure dps wise' than the other? The reason i was really wondering/thinking was with the + accuracy with the cloak/charm combo and everything that maybe the other cloak might still be better. I haven't had a chance to do anything with the Ice Knives one yet though (got it close to when i went to bed last night).

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Crabbok

Here's what it boils down to. If you remove your cloak and join a raid... if you are capped on everything that the Shroud gives you, IE crit, CA damage etc... then the only thing you would gain is the mitigation... so from a pure dps standpoint... from a fully capped raider who is focussed on dps... then the ice knives cloak is better.

However, being a fighter class means that you have to often think about more than just dps. The shroud offers alot and I would say that for MOST brawlers, the shroud is going to be the better choice.

Potentially better is the Frosttide Snowcloak, which has 1 mitigation, 4 DA, and procs AoE Immunity when you take damage.... which is perfect for the Off-Tank role, especially on fights like Miragul and Munzok, where you are busy Offtanking alot of stuff.

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