MT/OT Shaman single target ward question.

Toxxik · 12-03-2007, 01:45 PM

I've searched and searched but have not found a difinitive answer on this subject.

The question: should the OT Shaman be casting their single target ward on the MT throughout the fight while the MT shaman is also keeping their ward up on the MT as well? Why or why not?

(and no, the MT shaman doesn't have problem keeping the MT stabalized throughout tough fights)

This isn't about who's better, which class of shaman should be where, or how good of a shaman they are.

Thank you

KFizzle · 12-03-2007, 01:56 PM

I dont know the answer to this as i think its more a person to person question.

I myself do NOT do this, because I know that when I am the MT shaman, and an OT Shaman throws a ward on the MT i dont notice ... i simply see my ward drop from my maintained spells bar and immediately begin to cast it again thinking he's about to take damage.

IF your communicating well maybe you should do that, but otherwise i only do it when it seems he's taking an assload of damage and even still i usually end up telling him afterwards that i saw the tank getting abused so i threw a few in there. Otherwise the only single target stuff i do wiht the tank are the upgrade to Torpor and my single target heals (which take painfully long to cast).

What i try to do is to ward those i know peel alot, and depending either people in my group or in a group that seems to take alot of aoe damage.

Hael · 12-03-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxxik

I've searched and searched but have not found a difinitive answer on this subject.

And you won't.

It all depends on who is in your raid. In the OT group, I stick to heals only on MT group unless:
1.) MT defiler down 2.) Tank is spiking to red from heavy burst dmg.

If you're MT shaman is good, those should be the only reasons you ever need to throw in single wards to MT. Some MT healers get pissed when you're over riding their stuff, even if they are letting the tank spike. So if they aren't having problems keeping tank up, don't throw in your wards, but if tank is spiking ignore what they say and do what you know is best, support them with your wards.

Coalesce · 12-04-2007, 10:33 AM

Yes ward your own group...however what i tend to do is Topor and Bolster the MT...but i generally wait until the MT gets good hate before i torpor him... Now if he is lacking Hate xfer.. i won't torper him..just spam heals on him...

Sharpteath · 12-05-2007, 10:17 AM

Normally I don't ward the MT unless for some odd reason the MT shammy (defiler) goes down. Use your direct heals, bolster, stoicism if you have to give him support heals. Focus on keeping your tank alive because most likely you are in the OT group with a dps mad zerker who will undoubtedly pull agro and you will be busy enough dps'n and healing there.

Euron Greyjoy · 12-06-2007, 02:14 PM

I despise people who overwrite wards. Myself, I am constantly watching how much damage each hit is taking from wards, so when I see one go down out of order it pisses me off to no end. When I'm in OT, I only cast a ward ever on MT when he drops below 100%, or directly during / after AE.

Xonerate · 12-06-2007, 08:33 PM

First my terminology:
MTG Shaman: A shaman in the Main Tank Group
NMTG Shaman: A shaman NOT in the Main Tank Group
OT Shaman: a shaman dedicated to healing the Off-Tank

I spent a lot of time as both an NMTG and a MTG mystic. The important thing is for the 2 shaman to communicate. Generally, the NMTG shaman is responsible for maintaining the ST ward on the tank. If the tanks health is bouncing around, however, the MTG shaman should feel free to add a ST ward. Wards are the first thing used up when the tank is taking heavy damage so the wards aren't lasting long if the MT's health is dropping. It is far far better to occasionally overwrite a ward than to leave the tank unwarded. In the heat of battle it is impossible to precisely coordinate the MT and non-MT shaman. The goal is to have a simple strategy that minimizes overwrites while insuring that the tank is continually protected.

So by my preferred strategy: the MTG shaman should not be using ST wards if the MT health is full and not moving. If the MT's health is dropping, the MTG shaman should ST ward at a lower priority than direct healing. The MT shaman should use ST wards to "stop the bleeding" after his heals.

BTW, Having an Off-Tank, (as opposed to just a Main-Assist), is a completely different situation and has a very different healing strategy. An OT shaman is someone who heals the off-tank. Not just a shaman who is not in the main-tank group.

my 2 cents, -X

Euron Greyjoy · 12-06-2007, 08:41 PM

Why would you delegate ST wards to anyone outside of MT .. .. .. ?

I don't understand... how do I shot web?

Sharpteath · 12-06-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Euron Greyjoy

I despise people who overwrite wards.

GFE

Sharpteath · 12-06-2007, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xonerate

First my terminology:
MTG Shaman: A shaman in the Main Tank Group
NMTG Shaman: A shaman NOT in the Main Tank Group
OT Shaman: a shaman dedicated to healing the Off-Tank

I spent a lot of time as both an NMTG and a MTG mystic. The important thing is for the 2 shaman to communicate. Generally, the NMTG shaman is responsible for maintaining the ST ward on the tank. If the tanks health is bouncing around, however, the MTG shaman should feel free to add a ST ward. Wards are the first thing used up when the tank is taking heavy damage so the wards aren't lasting long if the MT's health is dropping. It is far far better to occasionally overwrite a ward than to leave the tank unwarded. In the heat of battle it is impossible to precisely coordinate the MT and non-MT shaman. The goal is to have a simple strategy that minimizes overwrites while insuring that the tank is continually protected.

So by my preferred strategy: the MTG shaman should not be using ST wards if the MT health is full and not moving. If the MT's health is dropping, the MTG shaman should ST ward at a lower priority than direct healing. The MT shaman should use ST wards to "stop the bleeding" after his heals.

BTW, Having an Off-Tank, (as opposed to just a Main-Assist), is a completely different situation and has a very different healing strategy. An OT shaman is someone who heals the off-tank. Not just a shaman who is not in the main-tank group.

my 2 cents, -X

Sorry anything with a fucking terminology key to decipher your shit is just funny. Secondly saying that you wouldn't be using your single target ward in a fight unless the tanks health is moving is dumber then shit. We are not reactive healers. We are proactive healers who block damage from happening. IMO you need to get a fucking clue or new class which ever comes first