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04-29-2008, 10:24 AM
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Cure Bish
Character: Melanth
Guild: Elysium
Server: Crushbone
Posts: 29
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Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
This is an honest plea for help from all you knowledgeable ones out there. Keep all 'asshole' and flame comments to yourself, or at least put them in a funky text color so I can skip em while looking for real replies, tyvm.
My situation: Three weeks ago I was the 2nd fury in a raid guild with too many healers. I was an expert at guarding the door to every t8 raid zone imaginable. I was bored shitless. Then in an amazing stroke of luck - good or bad depending on how you look at it - both of our guild shamans up and quit midraid. I spoke up and poof my mystic alt is now my main.
I spent a few days as the MT shaman while we recruited a new defiler. I was top of the heal parse or a close 2nd to the fully fabled /mastered templar. Not bad I thought, considering my gear was quest gear from RoK and I didnt even have the 'good' instance gear. There were jokes in guild of 'who even needs a defiler!' I was a freakin' hero!
Well, then we get a defiler. I was moved to the normal OT group position. My rank on the heal parse dropped down next to the inquis who thinks he's a zerker. (much love mephiston, you're an awesome inquisi-zerker.) I figure my new role in raid is group wards, stoicism, buffs, debuffs, and dps. The OT group doesn't really get hit much unless shit hits the fan, so I was fine with my rank on the heal parse.
My guild leaders disagree with my take on things.
This is where I need help. I do not know how to raise my heal parse without praying to the mystic gods that the MT or the MT shaman dies. I'm using stoicism, all the ghosty pets, single target wards on the scouts who wait too long to joust AOEs, and on those tough encounters even putting the single ward on the MT (ok'd by the defiler of course). I ward the lifeburning necro. I ward the bruiser with alacrity who ALWAYS steals aggro. I am *constantly* debuffing /buffing /curing/ warding someone but to look at the parse you'd think I was watching tv. And that's WITH time compression.
My gear is half fabled /half shit. My wards are all M1. I have overloaded heal stuff, + heal amount, and +heal crit gear. My AA setup is dps/melee atm, just cause it seemed like the only real option. I don't normally use dogdog, as he's pointless w/out the str line. My standard raid group is Guard, Templar, Illus, Dirge, <random scout usually a brig>, and me.
My DPS is crap atm, cause i'm focusing on spending my dkp on heal gear. Every so often I can hit 2600, but that's with basically no healing, and with how my guild rolls 2600 won't show up on the copy/paste ACT posts.
HELP please! I don't want to go back to guarding the door again!!
Thanks -
Kheera of Crushbone
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04-29-2008, 12:50 PM
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Visitor
Character: Vibria
Guild: Blood Bound - retired
Server: Crushbone
Posts: 31
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
Mel,
An OT mystic cannot hit high on the heal parse UNLESS aggro is bouncing all to the OT OR she's overwriting the defiler's ST wards on the MT - which is a waste of power. Yes, put them out there, but spamming them constantly doesn't make any sense. If your OT is interceding and whatnot that might throw you a bone but the parse will not tell the whole story.
With our new tools (ancestral sentry) we have a nice damage sink BUT you should still be below the MT shaman and cleric on the heal parse. An excellent druid may be on top of BOTH of them, or just on top of you, if things are nasty and there are lots of spot heals going out. You will never be able to spot heal like a druid.
An experienced reader of heal parses has seen what all the classes can do and knows WHEN they should be parsing higher, or lower, depending on how the encounters go.
What I would expect to see in a parse.
#1,2 or 3 Druid - insane healer with lots of spots who never lets anyone else get one in (you have a name and it is Goose!) - only counts if you have one like him.
#2 MT defiler
#3 MT Templar
#4 You, OR the mage group druid if things went nuts
#5 You, or the inquisitor if the mage group didn't go nuts
#6 Inquisitor or druid
Mix and match as you like - I've been parsing heals for a long time and this is not the absolute formula - top 4 can change around, again, depending on encounters, whether your OT is a pally with lock aggro to pick up adds, whether you're paired with a plate or leather healer (poor clerics hate grouping with mystics, they never get to shine), whether there are other tanks interceding, if your wizard can never keep hate to himself etc etc.
Back in the KoS days I used to parse second consistantly under my defiler. However I was also not using my full abilities and often was chain spamming ST ward - I was also eating a lot of power. I know better how to use my mystic now.
Venni, 80 Mystic/Vibria, 80 Troubador
P.S. sorry for running on like that 
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04-29-2008, 04:28 PM
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Server: Kithicor
Posts: 57
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
Are you the only healer in your group? I didn't see any specific mention of another healer in your group. If you are not the only healer, your numbers will suffer.
In either case, not being in the MT group will push you down the heal parse. If you are the only healer, you can come up some by letting your melee DPS stay in on AE's (if they can do so without getting 1-shotted). Load yourself up with OH / Shelter gear and just heal through.
Honestly though, you're just manipulating the numbers like that. If your RL can't understand that I don't know what to tell you.
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04-29-2008, 04:30 PM
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
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Originally Posted by Banditman
Are you the only healer in your group? I didn't see any specific mention of another healer in your group. If you are not the only healer, your numbers will suffer.
In either case, not being in the MT group will push you down the heal parse. If you are the only healer, you can come up some by letting your melee DPS stay in on AE's (if they can do so without getting 1-shotted). Load yourself up with OH / Shelter gear and just heal through.
Honestly though, you're just manipulating the numbers like that. If your RL can't understand that I don't know what to tell you.
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Actually the best way to push yourself to the top of the group is to have an entire group with bloodthirsty chokers.
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04-29-2008, 04:54 PM
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Cure Bish
Character: Melanth
Guild: Elysium
Server: Crushbone
Posts: 29
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
typically i've got a templar with me... and yeah for once i WISH my group had bloodthirsty chokers.
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04-29-2008, 05:42 PM
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Character: Zebyrina
Guild: Voracity
Server: Kithicor
Posts: 19
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
Mel,
Catch me in-game and we'll chat. I'd post a novella here, but I doubt the mystics would appreciate me sullying their forum. (Basically, everything that has been said thus far is spot on and should be obvious to anyone with a general understanding of the game.)
Bottom-line, you ARE doing fine and I'd go to the mats for ya. And you have no reason to even think you'd go back to keeping the doors secure-- I've got some really awesome heal parses that we can giggle about and point fingers and laugh at sometime. ;-) And seriously, heal parses are so misleading these days (you gotta love the damn chokers!)... and considering the failures of Sunday (and I'd assume last night) had more to do with 50 other problems and less to do with the survivability of our group, yeah... you really are doing fine. You'll be up to par with the other super-mystics in no time! I'm already impressed with how quickly you've adapted and progressed!
But yeah, catch me in-game. Shouldn't be too difficult to find me...
~ Your Fellow OT healer ;-)
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04-30-2008, 04:06 PM
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Character: Sharpteath
Guild: Shattered Moon (app)
Server: kithicor-Naggy
Posts: 586
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
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Originally Posted by Venni
Mel,
An OT mystic cannot hit high on the heal parse UNLESS aggro is bouncing all to the OT OR she's overwriting the defiler's ST wards on the MT - which is a waste of power. Yes, put them out there, but spamming them constantly doesn't make any sense. If your OT is interceding and whatnot that might throw you a bone but the parse will not tell the whole story.
With our new tools (ancestral sentry) we have a nice damage sink BUT you should still be below the MT shaman and cleric on the heal parse. An excellent druid may be on top of BOTH of them, or just on top of you, if things are nasty and there are lots of spot heals going out. You will never be able to spot heal like a druid.
An experienced reader of heal parses has seen what all the classes can do and knows WHEN they should be parsing higher, or lower, depending on how the encounters go.
What I would expect to see in a parse.
#1,2 or 3 Druid - insane healer with lots of spots who never lets anyone else get one in (you have a name and it is Goose!) - only counts if you have one like him.
#2 MT defiler
#3 MT Templar
#4 You, OR the mage group druid if things went nuts
#5 You, or the inquisitor if the mage group didn't go nuts
#6 Inquisitor or druid
Mix and match as you like - I've been parsing heals for a long time and this is not the absolute formula - top 4 can change around, again, depending on encounters, whether your OT is a pally with lock aggro to pick up adds, whether you're paired with a plate or leather healer (poor clerics hate grouping with mystics, they never get to shine), whether there are other tanks interceding, if your wizard can never keep hate to himself etc etc.
Back in the KoS days I used to parse second consistantly under my defiler. However I was also not using my full abilities and often was chain spamming ST ward - I was also eating a lot of power. I know better how to use my mystic now.
Venni, 80 Mystic/Vibria, 80 Troubador
P.S. sorry for running on like that 
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05-01-2008, 01:55 AM
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Character: Fynne
Guild: Paradise Lost
Server: Oasis
Posts: 62
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
Yeah ROK puts things in a whole different perspective. You seem like you are doing everything you are supposed to be doing.
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05-03-2008, 03:00 PM
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Moody'Mystic
Character: Aeras
Guild: Rapture
Server: Blackburrow
Posts: 68
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Re: Raid mystics - HELP ME PLEEEEASE
First of all, congrats on getting a ft spot in your raid force!
I MG healed back in EoF, and now I'm in the OT grp this expansion, so I can understand your frustration about your numbers not being as high on the heal parse as they were once before. It kinda makes you feel like you're not doing your job or not doing something right in a way, but never fret, because in the OT grp, unless it's an aoe/damage shield mob, adds are pulled, or it's an encounter that spawns adds, you won't be doing much healing.
If you're melee specced, you can efficiently dps the mob and still rotate your heals and debuffs in when your attacks are on cool down. You always want to start out with your debuffs whenever a mob is pulled. Mystic debuffs couple a mobs STR and damage output like nothing else. This way, from the start of the fight and on, you're tank won't be hit as hard by the mob(s). You can keep throwing spot heals on the tank when he needs it and even if it's a tougher encounter where the MG shaman's wards are being eaten almost instantly, work it out with the MG shaman on throwing your single target ward on the tank also.
Another option, if you want to get your heal parse up, use some gear that procs grp heals off of auto attacks. Multiple pieces of this can all trigger at the same time. That way, if you are in DPS mode on a mob with a damage shield, it will still heal your grp for you.
Likewise, another option if you want to get your parse up is to use the overloaded heal gear that procs grp heals off of heals you cast. This way, if your MT is getting rocked, you can heal him and still take care of some of the little damage on your group.
You'll notice your parse going up a lot on certain encounters though and in VP, you'll be busy healing and getting those numbers up there as well.
Hope this helped and good luck in finding what works best for you 
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