Defiler thinking about betraying!

eknom · 06-26-2008, 10:21 PM

I like to play solo and duo with my monk friend. Defiler/monk is a great duo because of his dodge chance and my wards, he basically never takes damage. Also, I don't plan on raiding. With that said I want to rant about the defiler a bit.

Defiler DPS is garbage so soloing is something I don't even log on to do. I would like to be able to add some decent DPS while warding my monk buddy.

Defiler specific AA's don't interest me. The take your HP to 10% thing to make a ward is cool, but the points spent to get there don't seem useful.

My favorite shaman AA's are the agility line. 100% crit and the rage thing seem awesome, but defilers hardly do well in melee. I hear mystics have a cool melee line that would go great with the agility line. Whether its gimp or great it just seems like it would be a more fun way to play the shaman. Also it seems like casting spells in between swings would make a mystic pretty good in melee.

Should I betray? Maybe I answered my own question already but I need some more info first.

1. How do mystic wards compare to defiler wards?

2. Can mystics use the same weapons as defilers? I like 2h crushing for example.

3. How do mystic heals compare to defiler heals?

4. Is mystic spell DPS in another league than defilers or is it only slightly better?

5. Are defiler buffs in another league than mystics or only slightly better?

thanks!

Ekim · 06-26-2008, 11:53 PM

I would say read through the mystic class section. There is tons of info already out there on the mystic and defiler boards comparing both. I for one personaly think mystic is a way better class. I have played both classes on raids, and the only thing I have seen is defiler has a very slight edge on some cool utility spells and single target healing. I raid alot in the MT group and I can still hang even with a dps spec.

ecoskii · 06-27-2008, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by eknom

I like to play solo and duo with my monk friend. Defiler/monk is a great duo because of his dodge chance and my wards, he basically never takes damage. Also, I don't plan on raiding. With that said I want to rant about the defiler a bit.

Defiler DPS is garbage so soloing is something I don't even log on to do. I would like to be able to add some decent DPS while warding my monk buddy.

Defiler specific AA's don't interest me. The take your HP to 10% thing to make a ward is cool, but the points spent to get there don't seem useful.

My favorite shaman AA's are the agility line. 100% crit and the rage thing seem awesome, but defilers hardly do well in melee. I hear mystics have a cool melee line that would go great with the agility line. Whether its gimp or great it just seems like it would be a more fun way to play the shaman. Also it seems like casting spells in between swings would make a mystic pretty good in melee.

Should I betray? Maybe I answered my own question already but I need some more info first.

1. How do mystic wards compare to defiler wards?

2. Can mystics use the same weapons as defilers? I like 2h crushing for example.

3. How do mystic heals compare to defiler heals?

4. Is mystic spell DPS in another league than defilers or is it only slightly better?

5. Are defiler buffs in another league than mystics or only slightly better?

thanks!

1. base wards are same - we don't get deathward, but do get a very mana efficient Ancient Spell that gives a regen ward.

2. use the same weapons but our typical spec means that we do a lot more damage (very high STR). Find a slow, high dps spread 2h hammer

3. Same

4. no sane mystic uses spells - we all use the mystic cas - they do more damage, are free, are insta cast and are consistent with a melee spec

5. Single Target RAID buffs suit MT a bit better, but difference is irrelevant in group encounters - rarely cast debuffs in group encounters and never solo

Mystic class is reasonably sorted at the moment for raid, group and solo content. If you ever get your mythical you can laugh at any instance named - just kill them in 30secs and leave 5 mins between nameds

Naeca · 06-27-2008, 06:12 AM

If you play the class correctly, you can heal just as good as any defiler. If you play the class correctly, you can out dps any defiler. Simply put.

Verrie77 · 06-27-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eknom

I like to play solo and duo with my monk friend. Defiler/monk is a great duo because of his dodge chance and my wards, he basically never takes damage. Also, I don't plan on raiding. With that said I want to rant about the defiler a bit.

Defiler DPS is garbage so soloing is something I don't even log on to do. I would like to be able to add some decent DPS while warding my monk buddy.

Defiler specific AA's don't interest me. The take your HP to 10% thing to make a ward is cool, but the points spent to get there don't seem useful.

My favorite shaman AA's are the agility line. 100% crit and the rage thing seem awesome, but defilers hardly do well in melee. I hear mystics have a cool melee line that would go great with the agility line. Whether its gimp or great it just seems like it would be a more fun way to play the shaman. Also it seems like casting spells in between swings would make a mystic pretty good in melee.

Should I betray? Maybe I answered my own question already but I need some more info first.

1. How do mystic wards compare to defiler wards?
The wards are the same amount of points warding.

2. Can mystics use the same weapons as defilers? I like 2h crushing for example.
Yep they can

3. How do mystic heals compare to defiler heals?
Mystic dont take from their health to heal others. On the other hand the heals are a tad smaller, but instead there is a health-bonus added to the heal to make up for it. Usefull on pulls..even if its not alot..or if raiding then your heals wont be wasted even if the tank happens to be on full health.

4. Is mystic spell DPS in another league than defilers or is it only slightly better?
Hmmm..hard to tell..think its about the same..maybe the defiler are abit better at spells..but we own in melee instead.

5. Are defiler buffs in another league than mystics or only slightly better?
Defiler buff more raw HP...think its around 1500 HP diffrence not sure. Mystic buff STR and STA. And of Hp aswell...but its not as much as defiler.

thanks!

kyrrah · 06-27-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Naeca

If you play the class correctly, you can heal just as good as any defiler. If you play the class correctly, you can out dps any defiler. Simply put.

What they said. Our defiler had a hard time beating me on the heal parse until she started using the cloak of unrest again and even now I'm hot on her heels.

If you look at the parse thread there's mystics that can break 5k (not me though i r dps retarded). Also mystic is way more fun. Almost everyone I know that has a healer alt makes it a mystic. Even if they wanna end up a defiler most will start as a mystic, level that up, and then betray to defiler. Soloing with a CA spec'd mystic is far and away more fun and easier than with a defiler.

Only real reason to stay defiler is if you wanna be the MT shaman in raid. Though there are guilds that run mystic in MT group.

Bottom line = defilers get to heal; mystics get to heal and kick ass!

Sharpteath · 06-27-2008, 11:32 AM

mystic > defiler

If you never plan to raid and be in the MT group of a raid, the choice is simple...betray.

You will be able to do more dps and still have as much if not more healing ability then you did as a defiler. Only advantage defiler has is buffing slightly more raw hps. Which if you are only duo'n with your buddy he will never know the difference because I doubt he will be anywhere near the STA cap like a MT/OT of a raid.

Pinski · 06-27-2008, 11:34 AM

Mystics are pretty much the best Shaman if you don't raid, period. Defilers are good for 2 reasons. Spirit Vision, and the MT group. Both of which are raid-related.

KFizzle · 06-27-2008, 12:36 PM

Yeah what Pinksi said.

Plus the fact that defiler HP boost probably wont help you as much as the mystics +stats, because if your duo'ing and not raiding or a raider i'm probably gunna be going out on a limb, but i'll say you and your monk friend arent at the cap.

BTW I have both a Mystic and a Monk, and a Mystic is a much better duo'er with a monk than a defiler (i've experienced that from both sides, no homo)

rukkis · 06-27-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KFizzle

no homo

I just spit my drink back into the cup. Thanks.