Malachani

Let me start by saying I understand very well that the STATS themselves, as well as the crit mit, is obviously better on the raid gear. Taking those out of the equation, I think some of the raid pieces are actually lacking in the bonuses they grant compared to the T2 pieces. I include pictures to highlight my point....


Lose 3% heal crits, and gain +25 heals and spells, and +50 to CA, and 2% additional base heals....
Where did the heal crit go?


This is what an upgrade looks like. Tho I wouldn't mind the +heal, spell/CA on this as well


I don't know about anyone else, but I LOVE the ability on the T2 shard set chest. It regularly does about 4% of my heals in raids. I will miss it terribly when/if i replace it with the raid piece. The proc ability on the raid piece is actually very nice, and wouldn't mind seeing it stick around, maybe on another piece or something, but I think there should be an upgraded version of the T2 proc, if not on this peice, on another one, maybe as the replacement to Savage Healing (toned down a bit probably if it will appear on multiple pieces).


Another decent upgrade from T2 to raid gear, though the reuse is actually less....


This is one of the most glaringly obvious bad upgrades. Losing 2% crits, +40 heals, and 8 mana regen (ok, so who really needs 8 mana regen? LOL) and gain savage healing? We already agree as a whole that Savage Healing is an unimpressive ability with the mobs as they are where many healers are not comfortable jumping in and meleeing during combat due to massive range-based AE's every 10 seconds. That's a whole other post, and something discussed ad nauseum, so I won't go into it here. But really doesn't seem worth losing those healing stats for a proc that may or may not do its job.


Another decent upgrade, but only because it got a boost to match the VP set a bit better. Think the focus is pretty weak and would prefer it on a ward (of course!) but its not as bad as it could be.

Ok, so if you made it this far, tell me if you agree with me or not that at least some of these pieces do not appear to match the curve with shard gear. Not going to go into the set bonuses (PLEASE CHANGE!) but think some of the abilities could be changed and tweaked to be much more useful to mystics as a whole.

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Arcanemundi

I think the raid set shoulders are much better than the T2 vendor shard shoulders. Plus most of us are already at 100% crit with most of our gear/group setup, so getting heal mod and/or base heal higher is the obvious path to bigger heals in this new expansion. I think each percentage of base heal on average is like getting 30 heal mod, without cap math getting in the way ofcourse. The other thing to focus on would be using the Second Sight Potion and Scroll of Benediction to replace some of your crit gear for mod gear if you are already at 100% crit.

Here is a method I used to evaluate the 8% shard shoulders we all can get from the vendor in Moors:
(Ofcourse this method would apply to the raid set at 10%)

Hypothethical: You have one pair of shoulders that give you 95 heal mod (Highest mod I have seen), and you have another pair of shard shoulders that give you 8% base heal increase, which one is better?

Putting the shard shoulders on makes my heals change this much:


Name, Heal Amount, Average Heal Amount, 8% Avg Mod
Ritual Healing, 3273-3902, 3587, 287
Rejuvenation, 1649-2016, 1832, 146.6
Ancient Aegis, 4052 4052, 324.16
Umbral Warding, 6095, 6095, 487.6
Transcendant Aid, 2146-2623, 2384.5, 190.76
Stoicism, 2146, 2146, 171.68
Eidoic Ward, 2133, 2133, 170.64
Wards of the Eiodon, 3755, 3755, 300.4
Prophetic Ward, 3648, 3648, 291.84

287+146.6+324.16+487.6+190.76+171.68+170.64+300.4+ 291.84=2370.68 / 9 = 263.4

8% base heal mod = 263 average heal mod
Compared to 95 heal mod, 263 is much better
The 10% shoulders will most likely be around 330 heal mod on average.

FYI
with the 8% Numinous Shoulders:
Highest Mod is 488
Lowest Mod is 170

Arcanemundi

To address the rest of the new ToS raid armor gear:

Unless I had to wear the new gear for crit mit, I would not replace most of my current gear setup with it.

With one exception. Ofcourse, I wear the Numinous Shoulders, and would really like to get the +10% base heal Fabled version ASAP.

The Abomination or Dreamweave leggings Runic Armor proc is too big, unless they fix OLH, then I might consider the Numinous Leggings, or the Battle Shamman's Chainmail Legguards, and maybe also shooting for the +15% OLH 3 set bonus with the Numinous set.

I agree with Malachani, the Numinous BP Ancestral Barrier proc'd ward is too nice to replace, especially if you have the Totem of Ankexfen and Arm of Erolsi making it proc larger. I've parsed it at 1194, and it is also regenerative. I would even rather wear the Mystical Aura Chainmail or Shade of Khalen's BP than the Beyond the Portal BP.

I have parsed the Runic Helm procing 3391 regenerative wards on raid members in my group, and on people outside my group I have healed, so I highly doubt the Savage Healing proc on the new Fabled helm will ever compare to the Hate Shield unless you DPS more than you heal.

For the last few weeks, I have worn the Spiritual Boots from Beyond the Portal just to give Savage Healing a try, but so far I am really not impressed. One disclaimer: I am not specced DPS like some of you, so maybe if you went with a DPS AA spec, and DPS gear, Savage Healing might heal around 5% of heal parses. I usually just auto attack and throw a few CAs if I think the coast is clear. Going the DPS route with AA is too much of a trade off imo, and nerfs your normal buffs and healing spells, so I have decided not to go the DPS route and instead max out most healing related AA and gear options I have. I am also a little timid about running in and DPSng the named when I see scouts and tanks in my group getting dotted, interrupted, debuffed, stifled, stunned, and knocked back from the damage shields and short range AoEs on most the new named. As a result, I am most likely going to switch back to my VP boots so I can get the +12 second Bolster duration back.

The Dark Mail Gauntlets are really nice, and after watching Fraps playbacks of recent raids I noticed they proc almost every second of the fight if you got Blessings and Luck of the Dirge. The Beyond The Portal gloves have nice stats, but just don't compare to the Dark Mail Gauntlets if you do the math with the crazy procs those gloves shell out. 5% base increase to wards and heals is huge.

But you never know. They might revamp all the Fabled gear like they did last expansion.

Malachani

QFT... I have both the DMG and set gloves, and keep the set gloves in the bag unless I absolutely need crit mit, or for the day when I get 4 peices so I can swap them in for harder fights to get the bonus on lethargy. But I MUCH prefer my DMG, the proc is very nice, and procs alot even without extra proc rates (I even give Ancestry away alot too lol)

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Ekim

Awsome post here, thanks for breaking this down



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Lepios

you do realize the only real reason to wear our TSO raid set is for the crit mit. I agree some pieces just blow hardcore but it still doesnt matter. The difference in those sets is the amount of time you die and heal the mob.

Aviendha

There is a post started on the EQ2player mystic forums addressing our TSO raid gear. Everyone should take the time to respond. I actually started another in Items and Equipment too. I also started petitioning the gear and am going to do this daily. Sure it may not work but I think we have to try something to improve this set. I agree with everyone in this post, and it is ridiculous that we HAVE to wear gear that is subpar only for critical mitigation purposes (which is basically what they have us doing on many of these pieces) The only really good piece is seriously the shoulders. I wear the boots also because I don't have anything better and I love casting speed. The casting speed bonuses are the only thing really good on most of these pieces.

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