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Old 05-31-2009, 02:52 AM  
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Ok, i'm a Templar but i need info. Flame me, call me names, i don't care, but i need some info on Mystics. I used to raid 5 nights a week 3-4hrs a night. I quit, i hated it. Now i raid with some friends 1 night a week in the x2 zone. The mystic i go in there with casts Stoicism out the ass. 30% or more of the heal parse for their toon. I need to know if i need to say something to them to let them know to cast a different heal or leave it alone. I read the description of the spell and personally, i would not cast it unless i had nothing else to cast, or next to nothing to cast. So you guys let me know, thanks.

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Old 05-31-2009, 04:26 AM  
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I try to avoid casting it on melee dps, but use it liberally on caster dps and tanks. 30% of their heal parse means they're depending really heavily on it, I would tell them to try using a single target ward instead of the stoicism on melee dps, as its the same cast time and avoids the de-haste of stoicism.
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Does this Mystic have a Rune Etched Helm, a Faded Black Hood, Tier-4 TSO 5-set bonus, a Zarrakon Earring, etc.? If all this person has to heal/ward is within his knowledge book then 30% sounds pretty darn reasonable. It only seems too much because your interpretation of the spell is wrong.

Besides Oberon or emergencies, for the time it takes to cast versus the amount of healing/warding it does Stoicism has the highest casting HPS of any spell in the Mystic's arsenal and as such should be used whenever it is available. This spell is nothing short of amazing. Forget about who should get it, ignore the -25 haste penalty; 40 haste on gloves, group-wide rapidity, raid-wide COB--everyone is capped and if they aren't it is their own fault.

Now, if this Mystic does have such ward procing gear, it sounds like they are neglecting to aggressively maintain single target and group wards.
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Old 05-31-2009, 11:27 AM  
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As others have said, it's an amazing spell, but it shouldn't be anywhere near 30% of their parse. If so, that means that

a) they aren't properly healing/warding their own group
b) their groupmates arent using chokers
c) they aren't spot warding/healing across raid
d) their gear is absolutely horrible and a 2nd healer is being put in group with them just to keep the group alive, so the mystic just uses stoicism across raid
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Old 05-31-2009, 12:04 PM  
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alternatively it could be the only master spell he has and the rest are apprentice one OR if he is a second healer in a non mt group that isnt getting damaged in a shit zone and is only single healing the MT between dpsing and debuffing in which case stoicism will come in pretty high
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Stoicism is a great way for mystics to help out the MT group. Usually the MT group has a defiler, so the mystic is pretty much screwed in that he cannot cast single target wards on the MT (or it will wipe the defiler's which is very bad). Now, if I know the tank is getting a beat down, I will use stoicism as much as possible, but I always wait until he's built some aggro. After that, the haste nerf is not important, just as long as you cancel it if the tank needs to run (like in switchmaster to clear yellow vision). The only reason that stoicism should be 30% of a mystic's heals, is if only the main tank is getting beat down and the mystic is not in the main tank group, which means the mystic is not going to be doing a whole lot of healing except for ae fights. I could easily see how a mystic that is parsing 500hps has 30% of it being used by stoicism. That makes perfect sense.

In any case, what brings this up? Is your tank losing aggro cuz of the haste nerf? Why are you hating on other healers in your raid?
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Old 06-01-2009, 04:19 AM  
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...Usually the MT group has a defiler, so the mystic is pretty much screwed in that he cannot cast single target wards on the MT (or it will wipe the defiler's which is very bad).
I disagree. In a heavy fight where the MT Shaman's wards are falling faster than they can get them back up, or the MT's life is even going up and down, it is then proper to overward the MT Shaman.

Most Boss fights are single target mobs, so off tank groups do not need all the potential HPS contained in those groups. When the MT's life is going up and down, to not use more instead of less of the HPS contained in the non-MT groups to keep the MT alive is much more of a waste than the unlikely probability you will cancel a freshly cast ward by the MT Shaman. Ofcourse, the opposite is true as well. If the MT is stable it is a waste to overward the MT Shaman.

The way SoE has designed the healing classes in EQ is much like an onion skin. We have the Shaman's Wards on the outside, the Cleric's Reactives beneath the wards, and the Druid's HoTs and everyone's direct heals below the Reactives. The wards take the damage from the mobs first, so the wards are usually not at 100% health ever, and if heavy constant damage is occuring, most likely not there at all.

My lawyer advised me to state one disclaimer: Every raid force and fight is different, so I leave it up to you to determine if it is proper to overward your MT Shaman in any particular situation you find your self in. -end of disclaimer

One instance where you might not want to overward your MT Shaman is when they have Master wards and you do not, you have inferior gear to the MT Shaman, or if there is only one Dirge in the raid and they tell your they don't put Gravitas on you usually (Remember the Dirges can and should be putting Gravitas on four healers in raid, and they can not spam it on only one or two healers due to the nature of the spell - look it up.) However, in any fight where the MT is taking large spike damage, or there is a chance of both the wards and reactives to be down at any time, the priority should be to replace the wards and reactives instead of spamming just raw heals cross raid.

One example of what I mean:

Before a fight, the MT is warded with a group ward and single target ward for a total of lets say 15,000. The fight starts. The MT begins taking 10,000 point hits every second, and the wards on the MT now drop to 5,000 in one second, and zero the next second. I am sure the MT Shaman has noticed and is already in the middle of casting another ward which might take 2-4 seconds, but eventually if these big hits keep landing our poor MT will have no wards left on him and will have to depend on the Cleric's reactives and any HoT heals on the tank which might not cut it. Now if an offtank Shaman happens to be spamming their single target ward instead, then when that second or third 10,000 point attack lands on the MT there will be a ward absorbing part of it instead of a reactive taking it all. If the off tank Shaman were only spamming heals instead of wards the heals cast would have no effect unless even the Cleric's reactives were gone, then the tank will most likely die if he keeps getting pummeled with large hits. Although, if you instead cast a ward and then the MT Shaman finished casting their ward right after yours goes down you "Kept the Shields Up" instead of loosing your safety blanket of reactives or maybe even the tanks's health.

Ofcourse, once you cast your single target ward, you can cast your three other single target heals incase the wards and reactives failed anyways. Another bonus to casting four heals instead of three on the MT is that your ward and mit procs have a 10-25% higher probability of landing on the MT as well, like Hate Shield, Runic Cover, Hate's Fate, Ancestral Barrier, Star Darkened Armoring, etc... If the MT healers have the same gear as you, it is possible to keeps these added heal based procs up all the time instead of only occasionally.
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yep our tank loves having all our shit on him. It makes him feel sexy!

If you want I'm sure you can also make a trigger for when a defiler casts his single ward.
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Why are you so aggresively attacking Stoicism? The MT in my raid has a Mystic alt, and he specifically requests that I keep stoicism on him whenever I can. I probably would anyway, in certain fights. Usually the tank will (or should) have enough extra attack speed that the debuff from stoicism won't bring him close to 0 anyway. That said, stoicism never reaches 30% of the parse for me. Maybe this mystic isn't timing his single and group wards properly.

What is this about, anyway? A little parse jealousy?
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