New 80mystic needs some help and advice! - Page 2

profe · 06-22-2009, 09:57 AM

I only listed healing abilities to keep it simple. The order is based on what will perform the best in terms of added health, real or imaginary, from both the ability itself and potential procs for the purpose of survivability regardless of your group (you win if the mobs die before you do). The single target ward has a fast reuse so you should strive to maintain at least three and this will increase as your stats increase.

I cast Ritual of Alacrity whenever it is available, but will delay its cast if by doing so the intended recipient gets more usage out of it at a focused time as it has important strategic value. Who receives it depends on what we are doing--the "difference maker" (is it the Templar's Sanctuary, timely burst DPS, debuffs, etc.?) That is going to be determined by whatever it is that you need to succeed.

Of course, you should always maintain debuffs. Whenever you cast a debuff you are betting on the future. If by taking the second or two to cast it nothing unfortunate happens and it does not get resisted then you will gain survivability or DPS. However, if and when it does get resisted you may or may not have lost survivability or DPS. Only practice, paying attention, and experience will help you learn when to cast one and when to cast something else.

Regarding why a gimp shaman is losing to raiding clerics, come on, the list is endless. It is an underdeveloped character relative to your competition at the time; don't feel bad. The performance of their ward procs alone is probably greater than all of your wards combined. Then you have spell quality differences, casting statistics, ability to clean up when your puny wards fall instantly, etc. And that is if you play perfectly.

Ixer · 06-22-2009, 01:07 PM

Personally, my heal order is: Group ward, single ward, Torpor, then group heal. I generally dont have to use the other heals very much. I prefer to use group ward first especially pre buffing due to its longer recast.

nyquist · 06-22-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Goblerz

When and how you are using Oberon Obstruction? I only use it if I know a stifle/stun/fear is coming (or go AFK mid fight)
Is that spell used very often? No, this is a very rare occurrence

Any advice of how to keep a tank alive during raid? Casting order or something that a mystic should think about? I usually preward using the following order:
1) Single Target Ward->Tank
2) Sometimes Single Target->Me (if I think I might take a hit or two)
3) Group Ward
**COMBAT BEGINS**
1) Stoicism
Here is where it gets a little 'iffy'; you need to start cycling your debuffs as soon as possible.
Start casting your debuffs (I usually leave lethargy out of the cycle b/c its SO slow, prolly a bad move but idc, we live)

The tricky part is making sure your tank has a good buffer of wards, so if in the event that he get hit hard while you're cycling your debuffs, he doesn't drop like a rock; so this makes a definitive casting order almost impossible to determine, as there can be SO many factors...but if you're fighting something hard hitting, I would suggest these debuffs ASAP with warding inbetween:
-Lamenting Soul (Debuff DPS)
-Shrieking Haze (Debuff Atk spd and skill)
-Umbral Trap (Low lv. expansion debuff)
Overall, these 3 should significantly reduce the mob's DPS and make healing easier for you, at which point you can cast your defensive debuffs to make killing hte mob easier:
-Echoes of the Ancients (BIG Encounter Debuff)
-Deteriorate (Str and Sta Debuff)
(In quick and easy fights, I either skip the offensive debuffs, or skip debuffing in general b/c you can often add more DPS using your dots then you add debuffing)

What kind of gear should I go for? Reduced casting time, healcrit or heal amounts?
Personally, I think our cast times SUCK ASS. So I generally go for casting speed (benevlent alacrity or, preferably the magical/generic one (and debuffs if you get generic casting speed reduction)) first and heal crit/+heals next. I feel that even if numerically casting speed does not increase heals as much, I find that faster casting allows me to string in more debuffs and react to dynamic situations better.

This being said...if I have a TC or CH then I usually swap out gear for more +heals bc my casting speed gets close to ~50% which is lovely and good enough in my book. It really depends on your stats as +heals and heal crit eventually experience dimishing returns

Help sorting the AA specc aswell.
This is MY AA set up as is and is likely not the same as EVERY mystic, but it suits my semi-casual, healer type needs
Shaman:

Mystic:

TSO:

Btw, the whole TSO:Mystic line rox if you have enough points for it; IMO, go debuff and grp heal first in it and +DMG last

kyrrah · 06-23-2009, 11:49 AM

Single ward should go first. First ward casted takes damage first. If you cast group ward first and it's damage is exceeded then the rest of your group is left "naked" until you can cast it again. Casting the single targets first helps reduce this possibility. Also if you have the hateshield helm then casting the group heal a lot is a good idea (even though it won't crit anymore

).

Nyquits' shaman aa looks like mine but I go w/the stamina line for maxed herbal expertise and coagulate. In the EoF line I went with the rez line, the cure line (that blocker is macroed to me only

) and ancestry ofc. I haven't finished TSO yet (just came back from a 6 month leave). My general and priest are the same but in shaman I traded that debuff for the group ward and in mystic the debuff for the hp bonus to the elephant buff. This is for a strictly healing setup. When I solo it's different.

Kvain · 06-23-2009, 02:24 PM

In the shadow tree, why wouldnt you do the group ward enhancement, in the shaman line, that gives it a fat heal when it is used up or expires? It basically becomes a reactive and ward combined. Also, once your raid geared the +heal crit from the AGI is useless. Being that tSO is one giant whack-a-mole cure extravaganza, I have found the STA line to be excellent. And coagulate is a very nice buffer to keep the less stout alive during the AE's.

nyquist · 06-23-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kyrrah

I go w/the stamina line for maxed herbal expertise and coagulate.
I was thinking of going herbal expertise...but usually I find cures easy to manage w/out any casting speed increase and power usually isn't a big issue w/a chanter and/or bard.

Also, since my heal crit isn't maxed, I like to have that (and the melee crit for occasional DPSing on lame-o fights)

In the EoF line I went with the rez line, the cure line (that blocker is macroed to me only

) and ancestry ofc.
In my experience, the rez line doesn't get used much :P but I also have a consistent group setup and we usually have a dirge, so in the off chance that someone dies, he gets them back up while I continue on my merry way.

So if you plan on lots of tough PUGs and a Heal-only, non-hybrid AA setup, Rez line is nice

I haven't finished TSO yet (just came back from a 6 month leave). My general and priest are the same but in shaman I traded that debuff for the group ward
I personally think the debuff is spectacular as the "Haze" debuffs should most likely be the second or third spell you cast ~in combat~ (after maybe stoicism and/or Lamenting Soul)

And I think the heal-on-group-ward-termination is unnecessary and ends up being a waste a lot of times (for me at least)

and in mystic the debuff for the hp bonus to the elephant buff.
This is a big preference area: I personally like to debuff the mobs so they die quicker (only ends up being a 25% increase or ~375 points of resistance though it helps)

With the buff instead, you won't be marginally worse at debuffing, but if you like to heal more the buff can help by giving you a bigger 'buffer' of life to heal each person in your group through

@kyrrah: do you see the heal on the end of the group ward doing much at all?
also, does it fire off if the ward is exhausted or overwritten rather than expired by time? (it used to not do either of these if I remember correctly)
how much does it heal for with 5 points slotted in it?
and finally, does the heal take place after or before the damage is applied from an AE or other attack? (i.e. if the tank gets hit for 10k and the grp ward takes 7k, does the tank take the left over 3k before the heal goes off?)

generally I liked my Offensive debuff too much to sacrifice it for the grp-ward heal :P

kyrrah · 06-24-2009, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kvain

Also, once your raid geared the +heal crit from the AGI is useless.

I've been raid geared since the end of EoF. I don't really care for the dog, and I disagree about heal crit being useless but that's the way I play. I've been called bad and good so it's a matter of opinion.

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Originally Posted by nyquist

@kyrrah: do you see the heal on the end of the group ward doing much at all?
also, does it fire off if the ward is exhausted or overwritten rather than expired by time? (it used to not do either of these if I remember correctly)
how much does it heal for with 5 points slotted in it?
and finally, does the heal take place after or before the damage is applied from an AE or other attack? (i.e. if the tank gets hit for 10k and the grp ward takes 7k, does the tank take the left over 3k before the heal goes off?)

I haven't paid much attention to it tbh. I'll look more closely next raid-tomorrow-and will actually run ACT for you. The amount stated on the spell w/5 points is 1678-1998.

nyquist · 06-24-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kyrrah

I disagree about heal crit being useless but that's the way I play.
I think the heal crit is very useful, esp if you dont have pure raid gear/avatar gear

I haven't paid much attention to it tbh. I'll look more closely next raid-tomorrow-and will actually run ACT for you. The amount stated on the spell w/5 points is 1678-1998.
That is not a bad amount at all; and if it heals BEFORE the damage is taken....then I find it quite a waste TBH, but otherwise I will have to check it out next time I log on

kyrrah · 06-24-2009, 10:55 PM

yeah I think i was looking at the wrong spell. whoops.

Anyway here's my parse from WoE tonight. It did slightly more than uncontrolled healing from my pants. I noticed it did crit alot and that it seemed independent of the ward criting. The name is Kindred Restoration. (Our lock showed it at 7% on his parse.) If i got this wrong don't lynch me I don't parse often.

nyquist · 06-24-2009, 11:23 PM

ty! that is not a bad percentage at all; so I might have to mess around with it some so I can figure out when it procs the heal...