What Needs Fixin (Class Issues) - Page 3

nyquist · 07-10-2009, 08:35 AM

Yeah, ancestral sentry does not last long for me either...w/e at least he does a decent amount of HPS (more than Lunar Attendant....); one fight (granted it was in SoF) he did 1.5k HPS on a lifeburning necro :D

I'm sure there are other things broken with us, these are just the high points.
Though I will have to say I'm happy that we have mainly simple spells that SOE can't fuck up too easily...

Kvain · 07-10-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekim

Think of all the classes that have so much fucked up shit to them. Now look at the mystic. If these two spells are the only thing that folks complain about then that tells you are class isnt really hurting.
I dont want SOE to fuck with us at all. I'll take these two extremely limited use(see also, useless) spells rather than have SOE start screwing with us using their "Zero Sum" mentality. We have more versitility than any other healer class.

Do have to say though these last few weeks there has been some good info put up here. Keep up the good work!
Thanks be to Wiz for provoking this forum. I did not agree with many of his initial assumptions, but I thoroughly respected his willingness to listen to reason.

Oh and anon poster is way fag. Probably Tuor....your still an idiot.

Sharpteath · 07-10-2009, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinski

There's 2 ways to use Oberon.

1) Is oh what's that, you're about to be hit by a control affect AE? Let's see, OH, why not case Oberon so I am still healing somewhat as it hits. Sounds like a great plan!

2) Pre-Pull, group ward, ward are up, toss up oberon to try to get REH proc.

qfe

KFizzle · 07-10-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kvain

Oh and anon poster is way fag. Probably Tuor....your still an idiot.

Tuor wouldn't hide as anon like that. And besides, Tuor would be like "It's the worst spell in the world, it should be like a regenerating soul ward instead, usable every 45 seconds that can put on a 8k ward, that we can cast other stuff during" and then proceed to use different colors for different paragraphs in his argument.

nyquist · 07-10-2009, 11:36 AM

Question: who uses the disease ward for its ward?

I have always thought that this spell's ward component brought teh suck worse than the lunar badger. However, the mitigation/resist increase is very nice; I just wish the ward was more powerful...iirc, mine is 2-2.5k? c'mon, WTF is 2k gonna do every minute that I can't do? imo they should have made it regenerating, bigger, or scrapped it all together and just added more mitigation/resist...

Pinski · 07-10-2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyquist

Question: who uses the disease ward for its ward?

I have always thought that this spell's ward component brought teh suck worse than the lunar badger. However, the mitigation/resist increase is very nice; I just wish the ward was more powerful...iirc, mine is 2.3k? c'mon, WTF is 2k gonna do every minute that I can't do? imo they should have made it regenerating, bigger, or scapped it alltogether and just added more mitigation/resist...

It is 2.3k PER PERSON. So it's a 13.8k "group" ward. Especially useful on fights with lots of AE Noxious Damage.

KFizzle · 07-10-2009, 11:56 AM

Prophetic Aegis fucking OWNS. I love it on nox fights dude, before Squall on Zarakon or uh other nox things its terrific. It's good for both the mit for the duration and for the ward. What i try to do is I have all the AE Timers on my ACT with like verbal triggers (thanks dest, i r lazy) and when i hear whatever nox ae inc in 10 I throw that up then my group ward and if i can get a ST ward or two on peeps who particularly suck I will, and then when it hits i just cure, reapply group ward and im back at it no real 'healing back up' cause its been absorbed and mitigated.

nyquist · 07-10-2009, 11:58 AM

Oh, well I retract my previous statement then; since I first ever got this spell I thought it functioned like our regular grp ward and did it collectively. That makes it a lot more useful then, but I still never know who does Nox AoE...lol

Kaizer_Sosay · 07-10-2009, 05:49 PM

Yeah teh nox ward is insane. The Strange Stalker, Tyrannus, and Ykesha in YIS. The snake in Tombs. Zark. Abstalius, Penta/Uta, Anashit. I always time it with every Nox AE, I can. Lets you worry bout other things for a second or two, then get cure.

Now granted not all those Nox AEs are heavy damage, some are control type affects.

But personally if Oberon and Attendant get changed great, but neither is a big deal.

Euron Greyjoy · 07-11-2009, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyquist

Question: who uses the disease ward for its ward?

I have always thought that this spell's ward component brought teh suck worse than the lunar badger. However, the mitigation/resist increase is very nice; I just wish the ward was more powerful...iirc, mine is 2-2.5k? c'mon, WTF is 2k gonna do every minute that I can't do? imo they should have made it regenerating, bigger, or scrapped it all together and just added more mitigation/resist...

Wow, this thread is full of retarded people.

You don't even know what Aegis does? It's one of the things that makes you hands down better than Defilers.

Oberon, as it stands, is only perfect as it is/slightly overpowered. It wards for more than your single target ward (STW: 2100 base unmodified, OBERON: 2600 base unmodified) every 4 seconds.

And you want to remove the stun AND increase the heal amount?

Are you fucking crazy? If anything, if/when they remove the control effects off of these, Oberon should be half its heal amount.

When I played Mystic, did I ever let Oberon run it's full amount? No. But you'd be stupid to not use it amongst your regular spells; using it with Torpor is an incredible combo. Not to mention that Defiler's equivalent is garbage compared.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyrrah

Doubt anything meaningful will be done. SOE has declared defiler heals >> mystic heals because mystic dps >> defiler dps. It's retarded but I'm pretty sure we agree most of the devs display some level of retard most days.

Are you high? Mystic>Defiler in every possible way this expansion. In fact, they were never that much better in the first place, this game only has an overabundance of terrible mystics. Show me one way that Defiler is superior to Mystic in terms of healing.

1) MYTHICAL: Mystic's is far superior; Defiler's clicky is just a dot. Wuwu.
2) Oberon>Pandemonium. If you need an explanation, then you don't deserve to post here.
3) Balm>VOTA. Again, if you need an explanation, then you don't deserve to post here.
4) Ancestral Sentry = Deathward : this is a toss up, and while I would argue that Ancestral is far better, just for discussions sake, I will list them as equal.
5) BUFFS: ever since the stat cap has been increased, mystics > defilers as far as terms of buffing HP/STA.
6) TORPOR>SPIRITUAL CIRCLE. Do I really need to explain this?

edit: oh, and I forgot Aegis, although I already mentionned it earlier. Fuck Aegis is awesome&overpowered.

Do you really want to get into debuffs or AA's? I don't want to give away the ending, but... Mystic wins.

But I digress, that's not really what this discussion is about. If the control effects are lifted, Oberon would be OP in its current state. A 40%-50% cut in its healing would help to offset this.