What Needs Fixin (Class Issues)

KFizzle · 07-08-2009, 04:16 PM

I figure other people will expound more, but I'll start the thread.

Oberon

Attendant (whatever the fuck its called, shadowy, umbral I don't remember anymore)

Oberon as it is, only gets used when I need a ninja afk, or when I'm boxing my mystic (VERY rare). I know it has its potential uses (just to click it right before a fear or something i hear), but i have never been able to uh 'remember' to use it at those times as few and far between as they are.

Attendant just takes up space on my hotbar now. ANYTIME i am in a group with another healer it is completely pointless, and even if i'm by myself its almost pointless. I need like 3+ people near it in order to make it worthwhile (when you figure casting time + power used for the amount it heals).

A couple 'easy' suggestions to make both worthwhile ...

Oberon, please make it castable across groups (IE so you can fucking put it on the MT). It would be a great thing to put on the MT for incoming or before certain ae's (for a few secs), even with its stupid stun component. OR another thought would be to make it more like Torpor, where you aren't fucking stunned while its on someone, and can still cast, but to keep it from being totally OP, it stays group wide only.

Attendant, make it raidwide so that if i'm in meleeing the mob and it's up, not just the one or two other people in my group meleeing near me benefit from it. Making it insta-cast would make it more likely to be used by me at least, especially if they could make it so AOE's don't effect it (Not sure if they ever changed that when they changed the thing so Avatar pets aren't supposed to be getting owned, but i haven't even bothered casting it in months now).

Edit Note: On other threads (in specific one that made me make this thread where Kaizer said it) people have suggested AA"s to make these spells better. I disagree (at least in the case of attendant) I think they should just make it not suck. I mean it's probably too much to ask, but really, I just think it would be nice to not have two abilities that are either pointless or more of a hindrance then they are a benefit.

Ixer · 07-08-2009, 04:25 PM

Well, for Lunar attendant, how about give it a larger radius that it heals from, increase the heal rate, make it immune to AOE. *edit* Can also make it, if they dont want it to have aoe immune add a heal when it dies similar to the warden fairy, have it heal for 5k or something like that.

Oberon: remove the stun on it, reduce the duration down to 15 seconds, leave the recast on it, the power to maintain and allow it to continue regen durring those 15 seconds. wont be OP. Similar to torpor in that way, but w/o the additional heal but larger short term ward with long recast.

nyquist · 07-08-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KFizzle

Oberon as it is, only gets used when I need a ninja afk, or when I'm boxing my mystic (VERY rare). I know it has its potential uses (just to click it right before a fear or something i hear), but i have never been able to uh 'remember' to use it at those times as few and far between as they are.

Attendant just takes up space on my hotbar now. ANYTIME i am in a group with another healer it is completely pointless, and even if i'm by myself its almost pointless. I need like 3+ people near it in order to make it worthwhile (when you figure casting time + power used for the amount it heals).

A couple 'easy' suggestions to make both worthwhile ...

Oberon, please make it castable across groups (IE so you can fucking put it on the MT). It would be a great thing to put on the MT for incoming or before certain ae's (for a few secs), even with its stupid stun component. OR another thought would be to make it more like Torpor, where you aren't fucking stunned while its on someone, and can still cast, but to keep it from being totally OP, it stays group wide only.

Attendant, make it raidwide so that if i'm in meleeing the mob and it's up, not just the one or two other people in my group meleeing near me benefit from it. Making it insta-cast would make it more likely to be used by me at least, especially if they could make it so AOE's don't effect it (Not sure if they ever changed that when they changed the thing so Avatar pets aren't supposed to be getting owned, but i haven't even bothered casting it in months now).

Exactly.

Oberon Obstruction: (Defilers get an equivalent spell that power and life taps the enemy healing their group, they however, get stifled, not stunned)
1) Make castable outside of the group
2) Change the AA to cost 5 points for 1 'upgrade' and take away the stun component and add 30% to the base amount
OR Change the AA to cost 3 points for 1 'upgrade' and just take away the stun component

Lunar Attendant: (Comparing this to the defiler's equiv. spell is like comparing a flying kite to a fucking F-22..)
1) Make AoE immune + Insta Cast!
2) Make raidwide + increase range of heals
OR Make the heals occur faster
OR Make the heals larger
(as it is, it will heal you for like 100 fucking HP per 2-4 sec if your on top of the fucking beast; yea its nice it follows you, but it follows you barely close enough to even heal YOU let alone someone in front of you, so you end up having to run in front of the person you want to heal all that to get a measley 25-50 HPS....WOW!)

Do this and I will be very happy, don't and I will be a sad panda :*(

azza65 · 07-08-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by nyquist

Exactly.

Lunar Attendant: (Comparing this to the defiler's equiv. spell is like comparing a flying kite to a fucking F-22..)
:*(

Lol

firamas · 07-09-2009, 11:55 AM

I think I heard some Fanfaire talk about removing the CC components from all healer "channelled" spells. I dunno the specifics and I don't think they'd just give us a huge regenerating ward without any drawback, but who knows. I'd be happy if it just stifled us and was made groupwide (with a decrease in max amount to balance it).

+1 on the lunar attendant. Fuck that spell. It's not even on my hotbar. I can always find something more useful to cast.

!User! · 07-09-2009, 01:02 PM

Simple fixes to both.

Oberon - Cross raid, don't be silly! It's already an amazing ability and no doubt the best Mystic ward/heal. If you don't use it on a frequent basis:

1) You are wasting power
2) Are dumb

If* you don't have a problem keeping the rest of a group healed you can use Oberon and easily conserve power. Since it can be toggled you can do so and cure/heal as needed.

In a raid situation, off tank group... You can cast it on them because everyone knows unless you are in a top end guild, your off tank won't get shit for heals. Oberon is the ability that will give the slower players the chance to be worth having on the roster.

Plus no need to have 2 mystics in a raid cycling Oberon on the main tank providing a rediculous 6k+ regenerating ward. That would just defeat the purpose of both the class and the ability.

As for the Ghost Bear... If it was a lesser duration, faster updating heal with a little increase to the heal it would then be worth casting. It is designed to fill the gap between group wards and fails to fill that gap because it heals <200 pts. every 5 seconds or so.

(i.e. Healing 500 pts over a 30s? duration is useless. But a 800~1000 heal over 10s-ish would be worth casting as the group ward/heal recharge.)

!User! · 07-09-2009, 01:07 PM

[quote=firamas;1026321] I'd be happy if it just stifled us and was made groupwide (with a decrease in max amount to balance it).

[quote]

Agreed sir.

But you know as well as I do, they would make it a 2k regenerating group ward. So if we have 1 or 2 chokers in the group... *poof* goes that 2k since even the squishies have 10khp+.

And it wouldn't do what we would intend it for, like filling a gap or preventing a great deal of ae damage.

*Unless they place it on a shorter recast and duration to be a timing ability. Ehhh.. sounds like that would cause more power problems that its worth though.

KFizzle · 07-09-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by !User!

Simple fixes to both.

Oberon - Cross raid, don't be silly! It's already an amazing ability and no doubt the best Mystic ward/heal. If you don't use it on a frequent basis:

1) You are wasting power
2) Are dumb

If* you don't have a problem keeping the rest of a group healed you can use Oberon and easily conserve power. Since it can be toggled you can do so and cure/heal as needed.

In a raid situation, off tank group... You can cast it on them because everyone knows unless you are in a top end guild, your off tank won't get shit for heals. Oberon is the ability that will give the slower players the chance to be worth having on the roster.

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If only i were mod, i'd totally have kicked you already. I hate when people post Anon#1, and #2 your asinine if you think we all just don't know what we're doing because we don't use Oberon, or that we're just 'wasting power.'

Dissent is fine, but to simply say that oberon rules and we're all idiots while posting anon is a tool move. If you wanted to say "It has limited uses like here and here" which would probably be disputed anyway. Your time is way better spent debuffing, warding, dpsing than fucking standing there with a stupid 6k single target ward on one person who likely isn't the MT because MOST of the time mystics wont be the MT shammy.

Pinski · 07-09-2009, 01:17 PM

There's 2 ways to use Oberon.

1) Is oh what's that, you're about to be hit by a control affect AE? Let's see, OH, why not case Oberon so I am still healing somewhat as it hits. Sounds like a great plan!

2) Pre-Pull, group ward, ward are up, toss up oberon to try to get REH proc.

KFizzle · 07-09-2009, 01:44 PM

That number 1 option there Pinski is prolly the only one i can think of (i use other things to get REH to proc), but besides that there really is no other time i can think it would ever be more beneficial to use that over something else.