My Essay:

[Vernon]

As i've said before Sinat is a lovely fella who would do anything to help you. He put a lot of time and effort into Radiant Legion and is/was the best troubador I have ever played with (which lets face it isnt fucking hard) And I know he is hurting through this and it sounds like he is falling on the sword that Davram has given him.

Now chances are he gave the account info to Singingbeauty back in the Radiant Legion days and she has just kept the info, was he stupid for keeping the same account info, dunno its easier to remember the same log in, personally I change mine after I take something back that I loan to someone, as he says it is his fault he cannot deny that, but we are all meant to be intelligent people, it doesn't take a detective to work out that he is not really culpable for what has happened, its happened through him but not because of him.

Trust is a wonderful thing, fucking lack of it around here sometimes, I lent my account info to Adam Person and he treated it with the respect it deserves, personally if someone loans something to another person and that person shits on that trust then quite frankly they are a cunt of the lowest scumbag lowlife in the world, and for all the props they are receiving for their dirty work, they should know that in reality no fucker will trust them again.

[Narkle]

Who is Sinat? I am dead serious

[Harmonyy]

Originally Posted by Vernon

As i've said before Sinat is a lovely fella who would do anything to help you. He put a lot of time and effort into Radiant Legion and is/was the best troubador I have ever played with (which lets face it isnt fucking hard) And I know he is hurting through this and it sounds like he is falling on the sword that Davram has given him.

Now chances are he gave the account info to Singingbeauty back in the Radiant Legion days and she has just kept the info, was he stupid for keeping the same account info, dunno its easier to remember the same log in, personally I change mine after I take something back that I loan to someone, as he says it is his fault he cannot deny that, but we are all meant to be intelligent people, it doesn't take a detective to work out that he is not really culpable for what has happened, its happened through him but not because of him.

Trust is a wonderful thing, fucking lack of it around here sometimes, I lent my account info to Adam Person and he treated it with the respect it deserves, personally if someone loans something to another person and that person shits on that trust then quite frankly they are a cunt of the lowest scumbag lowlife in the world, and for all the props they are receiving for their dirty work, they should know that in reality no fucker will trust them again.

Omg.. all you people are idiots if u believe anything Davram says.. he also said Sinat was having a gey relationship with one of the guys in the guild that went bad.. are you gonna believe that too? Cuz i sure as hell dont.. I think he fucked up and is now trying to find anyone to make look bad in order to take focus of his failure.. BTW that new Trakanon BP sure does look good on Jayn

[Marxx]

lmao++ this thread gets better and better, keep it up

[Oshef]

I think now that Sinat has admitted to it you can all stop pretending 'we got the wrong guy'.

Nobody else thinks it's weird the screenshots stopped the minute his access was taken away?

The Onyx retort: Yeah, well DAVRAM IS A LIAR~

And SB - I expected better out of you, although with a past like yours it probably shouldn't surprise me TOO much (Darvos?). Nerdy lonely men will continue to be stupid though, I'm afraid; no matter how many times it ends terribly for them.

[Harmonyy]

Originally Posted by Oshef

And SB - I expected better out of you, although with a past like yours it probably shouldn't surprise me TOO much (Darvos?). Nerdy lonely men will continue to be stupid though, I'm afraid; no matter how many times it ends terribly for them.

Wow Oshef.. wow..

Darvos was the biggest asshole on all of Venekor and I have to no history with him.. the fact you would even bring him up surprises me.. I would expect better out of you tbh..

[Harmonyy]

Okay!

Time for a confession imo!

Dav has officially accused me.. and you know what,

Yes, it was me

You fags got access to our forums a while back and posted our shit.. to bad our stuff was not some sly sneaky stupid bullshit like was found on urs. well payback is a bitch, and to some I am now too!

Sinat gave me his account when he was gonna quit, I never maliciously told him to join Kraken just so i could get the infos.. it kinda just happened. One night we duked it out over flame and wondered if you were gonna do a late night pull.. I (completely me, not Onyx, me) didnt want to stay in LS all night so this brilliant idea came to me. OMG I wonder if he used the same password or similar.. OMG HE DID! WOW! Scared to tip you all off I stayed off forever..

Hmmm so one day I decided to check seeing as another avatar was up and I wanted to know what was happening with u.. OMG LOOK AT THIS SHIT THEY ARE POSTING!!! LMFAO they want to sell mythicals, move to Venekor.. omg this stuff is too good for me to just leave. Oh well, its a game *Shrug*

You can say you required password changes but his never changed or else i wouldnt have been able to get on. DUH.. He didnt give me shit.. nor did he know. We are rivals and if someone is silly enough to let his shit be known by his rival then I am sorry.

As for you saying he sent out strats and shit.. Bull shit.. Davram your just trying to make this huge case against someone who is oblivios to everything, and obviously innocent.. how does it feel to accuse and kick someone innocent and then plan some big plan as to why. When in reality ur just an idiot.

I am sorry Sinat.. you were hurt by this and I can assure you along with some other Onyx members that I got very upset when shit went down and you actually got in trouble. In fact I believe I imbarasingly started yelling in vent and guild chat. (I am such a girl) I am saying all of this to clear your name. You didnt deserve to have ur name thrown in the gutter and you were nothing but loyal to Kraken from the start. I used the trust u gave me to my advantage and I feel bad but at the same time we are rivals and it brings out a competitive side of me.

I am not proud that I hurt someone, but I sure as fuck was happy to show my guild what pussys you all were by wanting to run off with your tails between ur legs.

This whole thing isnt about who brought the shit out.. its about the fact u wanted to sell plats, run away, and have such hate for Onyx that it runs ur life

[KifBox]

Originally Posted by Davram

It was Sinat's choice to impress and prove to his e-girlfriend Singingbeauty that he trusts her by sharing his account information. Whether he personally took the screenshots or not, he was still a willing participant and accessory. When someone like that asks for your account information and you give it, you have to have an understanding of the consequences.

To not act on the overwhelming amount of proof that we had would have been negligence. When it comes to Sinat's name, talk to Singingbeauty and not me.

How about we think about this in a slightly different manner? So. Someone had access to Sinat's info and posted screenies. Funny shit in there and it deserved to be shown imo. I would have done exactly the same as would most folks in a similar situation... but that is neither here nor there.

The part that makes this the most funny is: Davram, while continually claiming no embarrassment/wrongdoing (and being backed by Become to the fullest), DID take it seriously enough to kick a valuable member of the guild's raidforce. Sinat booted from The Resurraken can't help the raiding in anyway... bards being the valuable commodity that they are.

Recall, if you will, a while back Nonok posted some sections of Onyx forums. And while everyone laughed we laughed with them. It sucked to have a breach, but it's still fun and games in a game. Did Boon conduct a 'witch-hunt' and /remove players from the guild? Nope LMAO
Davram has backpeddled on so many things at this point it's hard to have heaps of respect reguardless of accomplishments. 1 good example:
-We're in it for the PvP and will fight you (Onyx) every time.
*said while they had something like 9 of the broken vilespawn rings and 2 extra warlocks (from DoM) in raid doing all the work.
Now? No more fighting. Now it is sit in immunity... as you can read for yourself in Dejanna's posts at the start of this thread (and Become's statement, which has since become an invaluable quote in numerous sigs)

-Or The multiple posts about Integrity and overcoming adversity (especially those posted in reguards to the broken Druushk encounter)
Now? 'Selectively' selling Mythical updates (how selective is it if Kruhl, one of the shadiest and most notoriously cheap bastards on the server, is the very first one?), Actively discussing server transfer for his entire guild to avoid the contested portion of the Contested mobs, Using mythical updates as currency to fund allied exile guild's Onyx blocking, kicking devoted members because their account was used to show everyone these things that absolutely do not bother him at all??

LOLOLOLOL

I feel like Become right now because my post is ridiculously long, but again I think the point is made.

Footnotes: Who cares if it was sinat or any other toon's account. Look at the spoken responses and then look at the actions taken.
GG

[Fiz]

Think this is all being made out to be more than it is (what?? Kraken isn't a pvp guild? you don't say? Kraken doesn't like Onyx? omg revelations! Kraken discussing the possibility of moving to Venekor? It's on their public forums...

I do find it interesting Singing that you felt this obligation for a slight that was made toward your current guild which you were not even remotely part of at the time. And depite Oshef's perhaps, a bit too strenuous defense of a guild he just joined, he is right about one thing. I recall fighting with quite a few members of an old guild of yours on their posting of private pictures that you were none to happy about. Now it seems like you're doing the same thing?

Personally I have no problem with the forum being raided and pictures posted, turnabout is fair play and Kraken did do it first. There's nothing you can do about it and when you run a guild as you run the risk of recruiting members that are honest and loyal to the guild. There's a good bunch of people in both Onyx and Kraken that are coming back to DoM for WAR, and currently have access to our member forums...and while there's really nothing in our forums that I give a shit about being public, I do trust every since member that has access to them to keep them private. If that trust was broken, it would be my fault as much as theirs.

But this wasn't really a betrayal of anyone from the guild, it was the common mistake of giving account info out, added to the foolish use of the same password on two different sites. I'm not sure if I'd kick Sinat for that or not, it would kind of depend on what his standing was with the guild.

[Faabio]

Shut up Fiz.

Drama maka the worlda goa rounda!

Can I have access to your forums?